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Pretty Vacant

Give Jim Foster a chance: You need to leave the guy alone ("In and Out," by Jim Schutze, August 9). If you were actually trying to inform citizens of what the judge was doing to help Dallas County citizens, he would talk to you. But you guys and The Dallas Morning News have had it in for this guy. He didn't seek the office. He waited until the last minute of the filing deadline to run, hoping that someone like a Dale Tillery or David Cain would file. He campaigned all year long just like the other candidates on the ticket.

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He's actually had some accomplishments in office, such as getting Dallas and the suburban counties together to talk about air quality and Parkland hospital. He's trying to open up the court so citizens know what's going on in the county. He's trying to work with the commissioners and the sheriff to fix the jail system.

A. Smith

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When Crime Pays

More DNA testing: I fully support District Attorney Craig Watkins allowing DNA testing of certain Dallas County felons ("Chains of Evidence," by Glenna Whitley, August 2). Not only will it confirm faith in the system, but it will lead to lowering the crime rate.

When an innocent person is convicted of a crime, the person who actually committed the crime avoids prosecution and is free to commit other crimes. Also, railroading the wrong people into convictions does not bring justice to the victims.

It would be good if more politicians and officials were interested in smart solutions to our problems with criminals instead of just being "tough on crime."

Mark Cargill

Dallas

Guilty until further notice: Thank you, Glenna Whitley, for bringing to light the problems so many don't know exist. Unfortunately, I know all too well how our justice system is here in Texas. Our son is 19 and has been in the Dallas County jail for 18 months. We were like so many others thinking everything would be OK since he was innocent. He was supposedly picked out of a photo lineup. Long story short, we have exhausted all that we know to do, and when he goes to court he's pleading guilty in the hopes of a shorter sentence. Also, we can't afford a trial attorney. People think because you can't fight and defend yourself that you must be guilty, and this isn't always true. My family is so stunned with all that we have seen and heard. Thanks for continuing to keep us all informed.

Lindee Arnold

Garland

Ole's Boo-boo

See no evil: I will be interested to see if The Dallas Morning News does anything about this story ("Ole Oops," by Glenna Whitley, August 9), or if they will continue to be punked by the Dallas Observer. Ever since my wife's book about our experiences at the Trinity Foundation, I Can't Hear God Anymore: Life in a Dallas Cult, came out, the silence from the Boys of Belo has been deafening. I guess I can see that they might not have considered Wendy's book to be news (though it dovetails nicely with their interest in not looking too bad for their complicity in making Ole a celebrity), but here we have a situation where a prominent television preacher is suing a nationally known reporter and ABC along with Ole Anthony and the Trinity Foundation. If that's not news, I don't know what is.

Anyway, kudos to Glenna Whitley for her excellent work on this story.

Doug Duncan

Dallascult.com

Venom-Spitters

That's not my Denton: There's the people that stir up shit for attention (or for spite when they don't get enough of it), and then there's plenty more that work away at the day job, establish some sort of home base, and make some damn good and honest music worthy of attention (mostly) without the need to spew venom, send out a million "vote for me!" messages or start some ridiculous drama ("Ay, Anonymous," by Jonanna Widner, August 9).

I'm sure there are folks like that in Dallas, and I know there are in Denton. Take the trip up sometime. Come hang out with us, and we'll give you a beer and introduce you to some great people...or hang out on the patio of Dan's at midnight on a random weeknight and jump into a conversation.

Just PLEASE don't think that one group of kids that may or may not just be trying to promote some "festival" or random venom-spitters from who knows where are representative of what's happening in Denton these days.

Cody

Via dallasobserver.com

Cheap-shot artists: Why is anyone still surprised when denizens of message boards act like douchebags? They're anonymous, and they have an audience. That brings out the worst in a lot of people.

Joe

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  • CHAE S. SONE 12/19/2007 6:18:00 PM

    Dear YOU scratched the face of the Church. No. It was the face of Christ Lamenters� Petition According to the Gospel. Greetings in Jesus Christ. I am petitioning to you for your intervention into a situation of great injustice taking place in the looting case as well as for the Petitioned written response to this letter for our common good and interest, according to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ. We should get rid of the criminal elements from the Church. Please respond if it was not done yet. RE: Recover the looted Building Trust Fund from the looters Korean United Methodist Church and Institute 633 West 115h Street, New York, NY 20025 According to information, the Church honorably Paid part of the former Board Chairman�s embezzlement of $70,000 of the Church money and his legal fees. Why it subsidizes the embezzler? Also the Church paid the legal fees for the six plaintiffs who took a legal action, demanding $4,000,000 damages, in the name of the Church, against the innocent family which tried to protect the Trust Fund. They usurped the name of the Church for extortion. Eventually the case was sanctioned as frivolous and fined for the contempt court. At the sanction hearings, the judge ordered that the Church could take action to recover the damages from those who disgraced the Church. But the Church officers did not do anything about the possible recovery. Rather, without any remorse, they laundered the immigrant�s pennies to rewardingly pay even their penalties and attorney fees. And the scavengers seized the moment. Thus, the victory sadly short-lived. Another case, one plaintiff put the defendant on trial at a full jury with the charges of felony which falsely accused him and his son attempted murders of plaintiff, his family and other Church members. He demanded $4,000,000 extortion. Reverend Won Tae Cha, Mrs. Plaintiff and his underlings come to support the falsely created felony case on the trial, a satanic ritual at best. Paradoxically, the Church paid his legal fees too. I was pro se for the trial as did not have financial resources. According to the court records, the Church hierarchies - the bishop, superintendent or pastor � illegally deceived the Judge at an ex parte conference as if it was Church related and confirmed the criminality. However, the bishop refused to name who were at it for the repeatedly written requests to him. What travesty is this? Another question is still lingering on how the $180,000 building repair contract lost for nothing through related party transactions. The looting of the fund led this historic Church into a financial and moral bankruptcy �� belief degeneration - for more than a decade that personally benefited which triggered by his mentor who, the pastor Chang said, sent him to this Church. The New York State Attorney General advised it could recover the abused fund from them. But the trustees did not do it, stating it would be costly for the Church to do so. The Church officers seemed to have blessed the abusers with attorney fees, cursing the falsely accused. Thus, the looters had the cool lunch with blessings under a comradeship. Why the Church paid even the abuse-investigation while demonizing the protector of the Church? Needless to say they dumped the Ten Commandments, ambushed the truth in order to make a cool shelter for the looters. Didn�t they make UMC an illicit outlaw-Church? �. �Robbers� Den?" (Mt 21:13) The looting is against the donors� will. If the Church officers are not interested in protecting the Church�s interest. How could they expect any further assistance from the civil authorities whom they so heartlessly contempt? While in discussion of the looting with the Superintendent, the pastor asserted the request for the recovery of the looted fund was �anti-Church� and �anti-Church interest.� He should have known such assertions had no Jesus cool in contrary to the historical iniquities. For they were defamatory and insult to the Christian community standard under any circumstances. It does not fit to be a pastoral reasoning as if spitting to the pulpit. Now, those who supported the litigation with false affidavits in a Taliban way against the innocent are still ominously holding saintly positions in the Church. It appears they could re-enact the violent looting drama of the Building Trust Fund with cool faces without regard the Church rules, the civil authorities. It rewarded them, placing the innocent in the perilous position again as if a satanic noose is on the adversary in order for them to justify the wicked looting. Is the fund open for free cool looting again? In addition, there appears his pressuring to re-establish elder system as a new power structure in this small congregation. He should have known there are many elder hungry and power starved which could shield his position. It is questionable if the Church could succeed coolly with such questionable human qualities in this morally troubled season. Remember such ambivalence to the truth could undermine the prestige of the Church hierarchies, the United Methodist Church denomination and the Christian value system. In a sense, the Church leadership seems to be on the way to �God is dead.� Recently, the Church Council decided that the auditing of the Building Trust Fund should be done by a CPA from the financial transactions of 2000, which could be done effectively without delay, according to the Audit Manual of UMC. Remember the Bible said, �The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.� (1Ti 6:10). The Bishop appointed him to lead the Church according to the teachings of the Church (Book of Discipline). Why could he not do it right now? Clear the accounting fraud, if any, in good faith! Our Church history, aged 85, is often falsely glorified to others in contrary to the dark images as the mother Church in the City. Needless to say, the negative image in the recent history is well known to the Korean immigrant community. It is questionable, at this point, any refined rhetoric could convince them otherwise. Now, it is Biblically clear that they are common liars, embezzlers and, perhaps, the greatest scabs and cancers on the face of Christianity in the twenty first century. The amnesiac Church sadly becomes a joiner of them, who denied a legal relief for the beaten Samaritans, the defendants. It is about the time for the ministry to dissect the Jesus injustice and discover the naked truth of the moral and religious iniquities of the leadership and to deliver the amnesiac Church from the cancer, insanity and scandals. Ignoring or stonewalling to the legitimate ecclesiastical inquiries is unwise, �If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.�(Mt 15:14.) They are indeed fallen into a pit � A very dangerous, stinky pit. This petition is to sincerely remind them again the reality of the situation demands our moral renewal and repentance under their faithful pastoral leadership. Didn�t Vick�s dog have more human rights than real human beings? Shouldn�t the Church be a place more humane than Vick�s dog house? Is the Gospel reversed in UMC? Where is the replacement? There should be a criminal investigation to breakdown the evil network. We must stop placing our Church on the way to �God is dead� as once did by Rudolph Kos, Henley Lyons, Tammy & Bakker, Hae Jong Kim and Ted Haggard. We must pray God for our rehabilitation with them from the deadly temptations. If you, readers keep quiet, �the stones will cry out.� (Luke 19:39-40). Please help the Church to be revived. She badly needs your supporting prayers. Every reader�s response is a petition for better tomorrows of our souls in UMC. There is a choice for the Jesus people on the issue. If you can save this one, you can save all UMC. Please help the Korean Church!! May God bless you all!! Yours in Christ. X=============================================-X EMAIL RESPONSE TO PETITION: The Bishop . Bishop@nyac.com, Metro N. District Superintend. mnnyac@aol.com, The pastor. chang.kmci@gmail.com and others Feedback . Csone@optonline.net FAITH POLL: 1. Personally abused trust fund should return to the Church. A) Yes__. B. No__. 2. The bishop should honor the donor�s will. A) Yes__. B) No__. 3. No comment__ Jesus asks you,� Where do you stand?�_______ X=============================================X A pastor commented on the matter: From:Revgommer@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 4:22 PM To: Bishop@nyac.com;chang.kmci@gmail.com. csone@optonline.net Subject: Building Funds Questions � Korean Church Dear Bishop: This all sounds as though the leadership of our church has handled a �difficult situation� in a poor way. Are these matters of injustice in the claims of those who cry out about the fraudulent use of building funds and trust funds of the Korean Church in New York? Real leaders not only do things right... but in the critical points of decision making...do the right thing. What is the �right thing� in his matter? It is an embarrassment to the whole community of faith. Chuck Gummer Former District Superintendent Former Wyoming Conference Executive Wyoming Confeence Wyoming Conference -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See what�s news at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage .

  • CHAE S. SONEc 11/30/2007 9:01:00 PM

    Dear YOU scratched the face of the Church. No. It was the face of Christ Lamenters� Petition According to the Gospel. Dear Pastor, seeker and fellow traveler: Greetings in Jesus Christ. I am petitioning to you for your intervention into a situation of great injustice taking place in the looting case as well as for the Petitioned written response to this letter for our common good and interest, according to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ. We should get rid of the criminal elements from the Church. Please respond if it was not done yet. RE: Recover the looted Building Trust Fund from the looters Korean United Methodist Church and Institute 633 West 115h Street, New York, NY 20025 According to information, the Church honorably Paid part of the former Board Chairman�s embezzlement of $70,000 of the Church money and his legal fees. Why it subsidizes the embezzler? Also the Church paid the legal fees for the six plaintiffs who took a legal action, demanding $4,000,000 damages, in the name of the Church, against the innocent family which tried to protect the Trust Fund. They usurped the name of the Church for extortion. Eventually the case was sanctioned as frivolous and fined for the contempt court. At the sanction hearings, the judge ordered that the Church could take action to recover the damages from those who disgraced the Church. But the Church officers did not do anything about the possible recovery. Rather, without any remorse, they laundered the immigrant�s pennies to rewardingly pay even their penalties and attorney fees. And the scavengers seized the moment. Thus, the victory sadly short-lived. Another case, one plaintiff put the defendant on trial at a full jury with the charges of felony which falsely accused him and his son attempted murders of plaintiff, his family and other Church members. He demanded $4,000,000 extortion. Reverend Won Tae Cha, Mrs. Plaintiff and his underlings come to support the falsely created felony case on the trial, a satanic ritual at best. Paradoxically, the Church paid his legal fees too. I was pro se for the trial as did not have financial resources. According to the court records, the Church hierarchies - the bishop, superintendent or pastor � illegally deceived the Judge at an ex parte conference as if it was Church related and confirmed the criminality. However, the bishop refused to name who were at it for the repeatedly written requests to him. What travesty is this? Another question is still lingering on how the $180,000 building repair contract lost for nothing through related party transactions. The looting of the fund led this historic Church into a financial and moral bankruptcy �� belief degeneration - for more than a decade that personally benefited which triggered by his mentor who, the pastor Chang said, sent him to this Church. The New York State Attorney General advised it could recover the abused fund from them. But the trustees did not do it, stating it would be costly for the Church to do so. The Church officers seemed to have blessed the abusers with attorney fees, cursing the falsely accused. Thus, the looters had the cool lunch with blessings under a comradeship. Why the Church paid even the abuse-investigation while demonizing the protector of the Church? Needless to say they dumped the Ten Commandments, ambushed the truth in order to make a cool shelter for the looters. Didn�t they make UMC an illicit outlaw-Church? �. �Robbers� Den?" (Mt 21:13) The looting is against the donors� will. If the Church officers are not interested in protecting the Church�s interest. How could they expect any further assistance from the civil authorities whom they so heartlessly contempt? While in discussion of the looting with the Superintendent, the pastor asserted the request for the recovery of the looted fund was �anti-Church� and �anti-Church interest.� He should have known such assertions had no Jesus cool in contrary to the historical iniquities. For they were defamatory and insult to the Christian community standard under any circumstances. It does not fit to be a pastoral reasoning as if spitting to the pulpit. Now, those who supported the litigation with false affidavits in a Taliban way against the innocent are still ominously holding saintly positions in the Church. It appears they could re-enact the violent looting drama of the Building Trust Fund with cool faces without regard the Church rules, the civil authorities. It rewarded them, placing the innocent in the perilous position again as if a satanic noose is on the adversary in order for them to justify the wicked looting. Is the fund open for free cool looting again? In addition, there appears his pressuring to re-establish elder system as a new power structure in this small congregation. He should have known there are many elder hungry and power starved which could shield his position. It is questionable if the Church could succeed coolly with such questionable human qualities in this morally troubled season. Remember such ambivalence to the truth could undermine the prestige of the Church hierarchies, the United Methodist Church denomination and the Christian value system. In a sense, the Church leadership seems to be on the way to �God is dead.� Recently, the Church Council decided that the auditing of the Building Trust Fund should be done by a CPA from the financial transactions of 2000, which could be done effectively without delay, according to the Audit Manual of UMC. Remember the Bible said, �The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.� (1Ti 6:10). The Bishop appointed him to lead the Church according to the teachings of the Church (Book of Discipline). Why could he not do it right now? Clear the accounting fraud, if any, in good faith! Our Church history, aged 85, is often falsely glorified to others in contrary to the dark images as the mother Church in the City. Needless to say, the negative image in the recent history is well known to the Korean immigrant community. It is questionable, at this point, any refined rhetoric could convince them otherwise. Now, it is Biblically clear that they are common liars, embezzlers and, perhaps, the greatest scabs and cancers on the face of Christianity in the twenty first century. The amnesiac Church sadly becomes a joiner of them, who denied a legal relief for the beaten Samaritans, the defendants. It is about the time for the ministry to dissect the Jesus injustice and discover the naked truth of the moral and religious iniquities of the leadership and to deliver the amnesiac Church from the cancer, insanity and scandals. Ignoring or stonewalling to the legitimate ecclesiastical inquiries is unwise, �If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.�(Mt 15:14.) They are indeed fallen into a pit � A very dangerous, stinky pit. This petition is to sincerely remind them again the reality of the situation demands our moral renewal and repentance under their faithful pastoral leadership. Didn�t Vick�s dog have more human rights than real human beings? Shouldn�t the Church be a place more humane than Vick�s dog house? Is the Gospel reversed in UMC? Where is the replacement? There should be a criminal investigation to breakdown the evil network. We must stop placing our Church on the way to �God is dead� as once did by Rudolph Kos, Henley Lyons, Tammy & Bakker, Hae Jong Kim and Ted Haggard. We must pray God for our rehabilitation with them from the deadly temptations. If you, readers keep quiet, �the stones will cry out.� (Luke 19:39-40). Please help the Church to be revived. She badly needs your supporting prayers. Every reader�s response is a petition for better tomorrows of our souls in UMC. There is a choice for the Jesus people on the issue. If you can save this one, you can save all UMC. Please help the Korean Church!! May God bless you all!! Yours in Christ. X=============================================-X EMAIL RESPONSE TO PETITION: The Bishop . Bishop@nyac.com, Metro N. District Superintend. mnnyac@aol.com, The pastor. chang.kmci@gmail.com and others Feedback . Csone@optonline.net FAITH POLL: 1. Personally abused trust fund should return to the Church. A) Yes__. B. No__. 2. The bishop should honor the donor�s will. A) Yes__. B) No__. 3. No comment__ Jesus asks you,� Where do you stand?�_______ X=============================================X .

 

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