Texas Concealed Gun Laws Loosen

Have a gun? Feel free to travel.

Another unintended consequence, says McDonald, is the likelihood that more weapons, stuck in glove compartments or under seats, will be stolen from cars.

The ramifications will take a while to percolate through the system. But the bottom line is: "If you've got a car," says a Dallas officer, "you can carry a gun."

Of course, convincing a cop you were walking directly between your car and home when you're parked 20 miles from your house may be a stretch. Try telling them you're just extremely health-conscious.

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edcoyne
edcoyne

"I see it as a possibility for a lot of individuals with criminal intent to be carrying weapons."

The magnanimous stupidity of this statement is nearly unimaginable.

play2win58
play2win58

Call bullshit on the Dallas cop you know you can run a 27,28 or 29 or all three to check a subject if he has any 27 traffic violations, 28 LP for UUMV or stolen or 29 Wants and warrants ! Law abiding gun carrying citizens you let go !

mikecrews
mikecrews

Fact is I do not believe in permitting i should not have to pay for a Right that is GOD Given and last time i checked this was a free country. We are slaves when people wake up and realize the better off we will all be but it is sad to say i see another WAR 1776 ?  The heavy taxation and permitting that is going on right now is appalling i just found out I have to have a permit to advertise for my company in the local Zip from the city of Plano this to me sounds like Official oppression. Texas laws protect employees from threats, force, intimidation, or coercion for choosing to either participate or not participate in a union.I refuse to join the UNION of Plano this does not make the city safer by vetting everyone who lives in it and taxing and feeing them till they are broke and become homeless.


mikecrews
mikecrews

so i am cruising along the internet and come across this story about carrying handguns in your car and the law changes and realize there are some really really stupid cops out there the only smart thing he did was not mention his name.

""It's insane," says one Dallas officer, who asked not to be named. "They basically destroyed the concealed gun law. We're letting drug dealers with Glocks under the seat go and say have a nice day. In the past we could have charged them at least with a weapons violation and confiscated the gun. Texas is wide open now. It's a huge story. This has just gone under everyone's radar."

Though felons are prohibited from carrying a concealed weapon, the officer says most police officers can't do thorough criminal background checks during traffic stops."

Anyone see a problem with this story ? He says hes letting Convicted drug dealers go?  Because most cops are to lazy to run people that they pull over. Thats the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard in my life. This cop should be fired for not following SOP not to mention he is putting his own life at risk by not doing as he has been trained. What most people don't know is because of seizures on drug dealers they usually drive note cars or rented cars so when the peace officer pulls them over and runs the tags he cannot rely on that alone. He will have to run the DL of the driver to find out who he is dealing with and in this day and age it is a simple swipe of the DL Mag strip on the hand held for motorcycle cops or computer Patrolmen.

carrying citizan
carrying citizan

Through the years i have been robbed twice at gun point living in houston tx with no help from police or anybody else. Now that i can carry my gun in my car with no problem, so with the change of the law i like it because citizans like me needed it

Soldier
Soldier

It's amazing how people just don't get the point that criminals don't care about the law, so having this law is not going to convince a criminal to carry, they were doing it already.

Haroldbriscoe
Haroldbriscoe

Every good and honest should citizen of Texas should have the right to carry a weapon to protect them selfs. Then maybe the crimmals will think twice about committing a crime from a born and raised texan

Weldercalvin88
Weldercalvin88

The police officer that made the comment that now DRUG DEALERS can now carry a gun and not be arrested for it is full of CRAP...PERIOD...DRUG DEALERS have BEEN carrying guns and DO CARRY guns!!! AND guess what ELSE, DRUGS!!!! DUUUUUU.HELLLO! Gee this poor police officer cant find anything to else to arrest a Drug Dealer for when he pulls them over! Give me a BREAK. This new modified carry law helps us Hard Working citizens of this great state to at least have a Fighting chance to save ourselves or our wives and children AND grandchildren if we are attacked by a criminal weilding a weapon. Citizens obey gun laws and CRIMINALS DONT! Thats why they are called CRIMINALS! AND are usually armed with a weapon! To use on US! I say 2 thumbs up and THANK YOU Governor Perry for signing this bill and giving the law abiding citizens of this great state a better chance to defend our lives and the lives of our family against some gun toting or knife weilding maniac. And I would like to add that I hope to God I am never put in a situation to where I would have to harm another human being, even in defense of myself or my family. Thank You.

Matt
Matt

I had a Sherif tell me two days ago, "If you don't carry your just setting your self up to die."

Rex Sagle
Rex Sagle

If Gov. Perry did one good thing, and he has not done many, it was to sign into law thisamendment to the gun laws of Texas allowing the concealment of a weapon while travelling.The way crimes are being committed now with car jacking, home invasion, etc you need to take every step you can to protect yourself , your loved ones, and your property,

Djstillwell
Djstillwell

Well I think it's a great thing and as far as that officer saying letting drug dealers have guns and they can't do anything, well if they have drugs then arrest them. There isn't anything keeping them from owning a gun illegaley , I'm a law abiding citizen and I would rather be able to defend Againts a "drug dealer" then fall victim to one because there willing to carry it illegaley.

Sincerely the 2nd Amendment!!!

Myemail
Myemail

Man your English and spelling are horrible, I couldn't even understand what you said.

Don
Don

What strikes me about the article is the Observer's general snarkiness and condescension. I guess that's your stock-in-trade when you think only the police should carry guns and the populace has no right..

James - The Swabbie!
James - The Swabbie!

Even some Cops just dont get it.. Punish a vast majority of DECENT, Lawful Gun owners to be able to take away just a FEW bad guys guns? Thats pawning off our freedoms.. the bad guys are gonna get taken off the street anyway.. just dont hamstring lawful owners to do it. Florida has had this kind of law for over 40 years.

mitzy2
mitzy2

I dont have a problem with having to get a permit for a gun. There are pros and cons to it, Its not the gun i worry about its the one holding the gun

glockguy55
glockguy55

Why would a church of all places post no gun signs. Are they trying to make sure more of their members go to heaven early? Everyone knows criminals prefer gun free zones to perpetrate mass shootings.

Los
Los

Now it makes it the responsibility of the state to disprove that a person is on their way to or from their car, and that's pretty difficult to prove. It does a disservice to law enforcement. They have to prove this person was not on their way to somewhere.

Is that not part of incence until proven guilty?

Anthony Davala
Anthony Davala

certain places should have "no guns" signs. but i for one am insured by ruger, and when i walk into a store, while im there, the store gets free insurance...sure if i see a sign posted, the gun stays in the vehicle. but i dont think a crackhead will put their gun down because of a sign. this is me disagreeing with officials who pressure stores to put up no gun signs...i carry a ruger because a police officer is to heavy, they cant be everywhere, and its not their job to protect me, its their job to protect people as a whole. i love my life, and i refuse to let anybody take it without a fight.i just wish it was legal to open carry, its hard to hide a p95 in my pants. and a tshirt wont cover it all up.sigh, i guess more reading on these laws are what i need to do.

gary hunt
gary hunt

my name is gary from graham tx i like the new law .i was wondering if i seen somebody in trouble could i get in trouble for helpping them.it is crazy if your a creminal the law is worred about your writes.but if your onist they dont wont you to have any writes .for axample i buid cars for a hobby .my famalie and me were going to bigspring tx .i got pulled over for speeding he couldnt prove it so he started being a ass.he saidthat i was not alloud to switch car parts i had put a new dash in my car .he said it was a gainst the law he took me and my famaliy to jail put the kids and wife on the curb towed the car kept me in jail for 4 hours .i never got a ticket or any charges againsnt me .ohkept the car for 7 days and had to pay 200.00 .i think some cops dont need a gun they get a power trip ps good day.

donmontalvo
donmontalvo

A very, very late review. Kudos to the author for a well written, well thought out article. Clearly the author did his homework. I'm going to send this URL to all my friends, since I'm always asked to carify the law. Getting a Texas CHL requires familiarity with the current gun carry laws.

Don MontalvoCoppell, TX

bongski
bongski

It is better to let us the law prevail. I do believe that their purpose of concealing the gun are for the safety of majority. We cannot deny the fact the no one is above the law, even the law maker are under it. The best way to be in good harmony with the law enforcer is to abide and follow what the laws spectate. Ruger 10 22 StocksLet us be a law abiding citizen, so that people will follow us, as we modeled it to them.

Against Tyranny
Against Tyranny

I had a stalker who had issued death threats on me (before there were stalking laws). I felt very unsafe walking to my car at work because my place of employment posted 'No possession of firearms on the premises'. I asked them if they were accepting complet liability of my safety since they were prohibiting me from defending myself.

I was in outside sales, which made several trips to and from my car necessary every day so I made security escort me to and from the parking garage each time. They sure did get tired of it, but they made the rules, I didn't.

Tom Underwood
Tom Underwood

Remember that an armed citizen is a free citizen. The police don't protect the public they generate revenue. When was the last time a person called in for an officer during a breakin or mugging, and the office stopped the assault? I lovehe policeandhaverindwho are and were fine officers.

michael foster
michael foster

hold on just one min. i bet none of you could guess what just happened to me at like maybe 10 30 or so on october the 5th. its now 4 am. i was just robbed at gun point on my way to my house from my car. gunpoint. i come up to MY own home and a black guy opens MY door sticks a gun in my face and tells me get inside. seven other of my friends were inside my house with my room mate. these two black guys ,( so sorry if your offended, not really, ) told me and my friends to strip , they pistol wiped two of my friends and cracked one of there skulls. i have a shot gun that was not in my reach and not loaded out of respect for my friends. they took our rent money (money order) and other cash and cell phones we had. we barely got away with our lives. not only we have a hard time paying bills as it is. so don't any of you left wing right ring republican democratic people tell me i can not have a gun on me. you can mark my words i AM going to carry a fire arm on me to and from my car. not into any where in public of course. but if another person is threatening me or my friends or anyone in danger, there a dead man period. forgive me for taking a life but its them or me. you can figure out the rest.

radio_babylon
radio_babylon

and here we are, two years later... and once again, *nothing happened*... do you anti-gunners ever get tired of being wrong? or do you just get used to it after a while?

Mr. Bart
Mr. Bart

You might check your statement about officer not being able to prosecute street gangsters who carry glocks "under the seat". It is a crime to carry a concealed weapon while committing a crime, or to have one in a vehicle while participating in criminal activity. I am sure an officer could find "criminal activity" when a bad guy is carrying a firearm in his or her vehicle. Just food for thought.

james
james

i like the new law. too little too late is better than nothin' i guess.i've had a chl fer several years now. i think it would be a fair thing fer the injustice system to be forced to refund ALL the stolen $$$ an' guns it has taken from us citizens in the past though. i'd like my $$$ an' my ruger back. i'd also like to git paid fer the time i sapent in jail fer it. back then i got 6 bucks an hour...X 10 days24hrs....

Allan
Allan

It's about time that honest, hard working, AMERICANS be able to protect themselves. That is what our Constitution meant for us to do by allowing us the "Right to bear arms"! If you think this will just add more guns to the street you are out of touch with what is already going on under your nose. Anyone and I do mean anyone can already purchase an unregesterd gun of their choice today in a matter of minutes. And, they use them against us (the law abiding citizen that wouldn't have a clue or the desire to do it. I have seen with my own eyes the crime rate drop when criminals know that the owner of a home has a gun and will "shoot without hesitation" anyone who enters their property with ill intentions, be it theft, rape, burglary, or murder! The key here is "shoot without hesitation"! If you are not able to pull the trigger and shoot to kill then please don't pull out a gun. It will probably get you killed! But, the NEW LAW gives us more freedom to excersize our right to protect ourselves or loved ones, and our property that we worked hard for, without as much fear of being prosecuted or sued either by the Police or some criminals family. Best Law Passed in a long time! I'm 110% for it and know many others who feel the same way!

David P.Curcione Ex S.O. Ret.
David P.Curcione Ex S.O. Ret.

1. Every lawabiding U.S.Citizens Should Apply for a State Wide Carrie Permit to Carry a Coceal Handgun too. Semipistal & Revolver too. This is a Constutional U.S. Right to Have it all costs Rather a Perviege Right by any Police Department too. I agree by those Terms too!! With State Borderlines of the (State of Taxas of all the Counties do accept its to be Recconized its Regulations agreegerements as follows:) by the all:- HandGuns Rules do Apply too!!)Agreed by terms as Follows by Rules of regulations by Act -235 Rules as apples is top Pararitry Rules too!!! They Should have no Criminal Records of Arrests by Local, Town,TownshipPolice, Country Sheriffis Depies , or State Police to Or the Taxas - Rangers Police Officers is State Wide Police to in all(188) Counties too!! 2. 10/07/2007 Date! The total of F.F.L.s is the State of taxas only: (3935)Holders Type-01 Licences is most Current count too!! They are Still Declining in smaller Numbers ecah month goes by too. To Cut down Gun Crimes is to, Cut 1/3 of F.F.L.s Type-01 Licences down too. Is 1311.66 F.F.Ls to be cut down too. There will Be lower number of F.F.L. s Is (2623) F.F.L.s holders is left in Taxas State too. By 11/08/2009 A.D. too. is offical count too!! The Police say let"s cut it Down now Too. The Crime rates is by Streets run by Gangs of Crinamals Groups do used Guns to rob People of there Money too!! true!!! Its time the Grovenor to Cut off 1/3 of Type-01 F.F.L.s Licences out & State Licences to be cut off too. There are to many of the smaller Gun stores is way to many of them too!! They need to be Cut down now too. The illegal Alliens are responasble for 0.70 % or more Street Murders by used of illegal guns they Kill U.S. Citizens in 50 States too. is true an get away with it alot to true !!!!! To many Smaller Gundealers smaller Businesses do Straw Gun Sales of Conceal Weapons to Drug dealers Druge Customers People buy"ers too. Fellons street Criminals Robbed Guns & ammo out Small Gunshops,sporting Gun stores too. An bone dry of guns & ammo too. true!!! (Answer is:2nd option if its gets worse too!! Lets cut it by 1/2 of the out of Businesses to pertaining to small Gun Businesses way to many too!! They need to cut down alot now to stop Street Gun shootings too!! agree!!! It would be 1967F.F,L.s Licences would be controlled on the botton too!!) is needed badly now too!!! Type-01 F.F.L.s !

Brian Zell
Brian Zell

Good, now law abiding citizens in Texas can carry guns to keep the drug dealers with Glocks at bay. If everyone had a gun, then when one person starts shooting in a crowded mall another person can stop it and the peace can continue. People should be able to carry handguns like they carry cell phones. No one will start any trouble with a gun because anyone can stop it because they have guns.

Brian Zell
Brian Zell

Good, now law abiding citizens in Texas can carry guns to keep the drug dealers with Glocks at bay. If everyone had a gun, then when one person starts shooting in a crowded mall another person can stop it and the peace can continue. People should be able to carry handguns like they carry cell phones. No one will start any trouble with a gun because anyone can stop it because they have guns.

Brian Zell
Brian Zell

Good, now law abiding citizens in Texas can carry guns to keep the drug dealers with Glocks at bay. If everyone had a gun, then when one person starts shooting in a crowded mall another person can stop it and the peace can continue. People should be able to carry handguns like they carry cell phones. No one will start any trouble with a gun because anyone can stop it because they have guns.

Pat Acker
Pat Acker

Thank God! It's about time we ladies can come out of the closet and finally carry a handgun in our cars legally.

McDonald's comments about no longer being able to arrest drug dealers who might be hiding a Glock under their front seat is just ignorant. First, unless they have a warrant, they can't check under the seat to see what is there. Secondly, as best as I can tell, this law doesn't change the fact that convicted felons or ex-cons are not legally allowed to carry guns anyway. They can still arrest them for parole violation.

As far as his church posting signs prohibiting guns from being carried on the premises, that is their perogative. But, I would like to point out that his church has just informed anyone with criminal intent, including jerks who like to steal big screen TV's, that no one on the premises has a gun to stop them. Also, why would stores change their current policy? The law is that we can carry between our homes and cars, not our homes and STORE. Do you think this guy could reach any further.

Seems to me that every time a law is passed that will allow citizens to defend themselves, someone yells foul. Well, it isn't. It is our right to be able to defend ourselves. God knows the cops can't get there to help us. It is niave to think they can.

Pat Acker
Pat Acker

Thank God! It's about time we ladies can come out of the closet and finally carry a handgun in our cars legally.

McDonald's comments about no longer being able to arrest drug dealers who might be hiding a Glock under their front seat is just ignorant. First, unless they have a warrant, they can't check under the seat to see what is there. Secondly, as best as I can tell, this law doesn't change the fact that convicted felons or ex-cons are not legally allowed to carry guns anyway. They can still arrest them for parole violation.

As far as his church posting signs prohibiting guns from being carried on the premises, that is their perogative. But, I would like to point out that his church has just informed anyone with criminal intent, including jerks who like to steal big screen TV's, that no one on the premises has a gun to stop them. Also, why would stores change their current policy? The law is that we can carry between our homes and cars, not our homes and STORE. Do you think this guy could reach any further.

Seems to me that every time a law is passed that will allow citizens to defend themselves, someone yells foul. Well, it isn't. It is our right to be able to defend ourselves. God knows the cops can't get there to help us. It is niave to think they can.

Pat Acker
Pat Acker

Thank God! It's about time we ladies can come out of the closet and finally carry a handgun in our car legally.

McDonald's comments about no longer being able to arrest drug dealers who might be hiding a Glock under their front seat is just ignorant. First, unless they have a warrant, they can't check under the seat to see what is there. Secondly, as best as I can tell, this law doesn't change the fact that convicted felons or ex-cons are not legally allowed to carry guns anway. They can still arrest them for parole violation.

As far as his church posting signs prohibiting guns from being carried on the premises, that is their perogative. But, I would like to point out that his church has just informed anyone with criminal intent, including jerks who like to steal big screen TV's, that no one on the premises has a gun to stop them. Also, why would stores change their current policy? The law is that we can carry between our homes and cars, not our homes and STORE. Do you think this guy could reach any further.

Seems to me that every time a law is passed that will allow citizens to defend themselves, someone yells foul. Well, it isn't. It is our right to be able to defend ourselves. God knows the cops can't get there to help us. It is niave to think they can.

Pat Acker
Pat Acker

Thank God! It's about time we ladies can come out of the closet and finally carry a handgun in our car legally.

McDonald's comments about no longer being able to arrest drug dealers who might be hiding a Glock under their front seat is just ignorant. First, unless they have a warrant, they can't check under the seat to see what is there. Secondly, as best as I can tell, this law doesn't change the fact that convicted felons or ex-cons are not legally allowed to carry guns anway. They can still arrest them for parole violation.

As far as his church posting signs prohibiting guns from being carried on the premises, that is their perogative. But, I would like to point out that his church has just informed anyone with criminal intent, including jerks who like to steal big screen TV's, that no one on the premises has a gun to stop them. Also, why would stores change their current policy? The law is that we can carry between our homes and cars, not our homes and STORE. Do you think this guy could reach any further.

Seems to me that every time a law is passed that will allow citizens to defend themselves, someone yells foul. Well, it isn't. It is our right to be able to defend ourselves. God knows the cops can't get there to help us. It is niave to think they can.

Nathan
Nathan

I'm not really in favor of people keeping guns in their cars, or even carrying them for that matter. I don't believe it makes us safer for people to carry guns because anyone who isn't a criminal can get a license to carry a concealed weapon, and that doesn't guarantee you get people who won't pull out a gun and shoot because of road rage. However, I do support this clarification of the law. The law in Texas, as much as I disagree with it, is that people have a right to keep a gun in the car while traveling, with "travel" having always been understood by the state legislature as basically any time you're in the car and moving. It's prosecutors and police who were abusing this law, not average Texans. It is and was wrong for police to arrest motorists who have a gun in their car because of that gun when it is not against the law. As a matter of fact, prosecutors who seek to circumvent this should themselves be prosecuted for violating our rights.

brooks
brooks

Although I'm already a CHL holder, I say this is great. Note to criminals: Don't pull any of your nonsense on decent people and you won't risk getting shot. Pretty simple, huh? Maybe now's the time to rethink life and have a go at good intentions-

P.S.- And to those who say this will increase the numbers of bad guys packing heat, isn't it just a tad ridiculous to assume that they were ever regarding laws like this in the first place?

Wick Olson
Wick Olson

Ms. Whitley, Are you for or against gun control?

Jo
Jo

This is a good law now we can protect ourselves from the bad people!!!

Larry Weatherly
Larry Weatherly

Good thing your rag is free. Withsuch shoddy journalism I can'tsee how you'd ever make money offpeople purchasing your rag.

Mike
Mike

If only they wouldn't have passed the bill then those with CRIMINAL INTENT wouldn't be able to carry, seeing as how it's against the law. Makes great sense right? Why be so hell-bent on creating as much red tape as possible for decent people to carry a firearm?

Daniel W.
Daniel W.

This law requiring DA's to prove someone was committing a crime (rather than assuming guilt with no proof) only came about after corrupt DA's were jailing law abiding citizens who were legitimately & legally traveling with a firearm. Had those we count on for law enforcement enforced law rather than persecuting & imprisoning law abiding citizens, this wouldn't have even been neccesary.

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse" will get you or I imprisoned - yet for law enforcement to remain willfully ignorant of the law is no issue? The officer quoted and his superiors should be ashamed of their willful failure. There are many law enforcement officers who are intelligent enough and who respect the law enough to keep abreast of it.

Lastly - the clarification of this law has NOTHING to do with concealed carry law, they both apply to very different circumstances. A person with no permit who is caught carrying outside of their car or home will still be arrested. A person WITH a permit can carry in any legal place (a car, restaurant, church, movie theater, etc).

Rick Ferrara
Rick Ferrara

Weldercalvin - You missed the point entirely, the point he was making was when they stopped a person who they "knew" was a drug dealer, that prior to this law they could take the gun and arrest them for an illegal concealed weapon. Now, the question is one of notification. From what I understand you have to declare the weapon to the police officer immediately. Odds are good that your average criminal will not do this, and with any luck will reach for it and end up with a perforated chest... I personally like the fact that the law limits the criminals ability to sue.

Mrfixit8098
Mrfixit8098

i'm with you there because i have had similar crap happen to me. I think cops need to be better trained and less protected by the law. there are dishonest people everywhere, and I say let my 1911 talk and god sort em out.

JS421962
JS421962

I can understand your pain. No one should feel helpless because of another. I carry in my line of work and i feel every man or woman should have the right. But i dont just take Blacks to jail i was affended. You had a black person point a weapon at you ok that was wrong.But all black people didn't pull a weapon on you I wish you well.......THE BOUNTY HUNTER

Jerenna
Jerenna

I have a 9mm Berretta and holster that fits very nicely in the drivers door compartment of my Honda. Under the new law would carrying it in that compartment fall into the catagory of "plain view"? I do not have CWP at this time

 
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