Baptist Seminary President Says Women Shouldn't Teach Men

A conservative pastor known for championing dissident views in the Southern Baptist Convention has posted an interesting, well-argued and chilling sequel to Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary’s controversial decision to deny tenure to a female Hebrew professor, apparently because of seminary President Dr. Paige Patterson’s view that women should not be teaching men. This restrictive interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:12 is prevalent in some highly conservative, non-Pentecostal evangelical circles.

Wade Burleson a pastor for 25 years in Enid, Oklahoma, reports Dr. Cindy Kunsman was invited to lecture on “extreme patriarchal behaviors” among evangelical groups during a conference last month hosted by Southern Baptist-affiliated Midwestern Theological Seminary in Kansas City. During her lecture, Kunsman noted that the SBC and its leaders such as Paige Patterson have influenced a movement among evangelicals that calls for a return to extreme patriarchy. Kunsman revealed some of the teachings of Pastor Doug Phillips, a leader of this movement through his organization Vision Forum Ministries. Among Phillips’ teachings are the following mandates, according to Kunsman: “Women are never, for any reason, to use birth control,” and “Women are to respond to abuse in a quite, gentle and submissive spirit.”

Though Kunsman is conservative herself, believing that the ministry positions of senior pastor and elder should be reserved for men, Burleson says that all references to Kunsman’s lecture were expunged from the conference Web site, and the conference issued a press release complaining that Kunsman had “made unwarranted and misinformed accusations against Christian teachers and ministries” including “agencies within the Southern Baptist Convention.”

Here’s how Burleson begins his lengthy post: "For the last couple of years I have observed what I perceived to be professional mistreatment of women within the Southern Baptist Convention, all in the name of biblical patriarchy. Though I have no personal disagreement with the 2000 Baptist Faith and Message statement that declares the office of pastor to be reserved for men, I have been puzzled by the removal of female chaplains and other women supervisors on the mission field, the lack of promotion of women to administrative positions in our SBC agencies, and the termination of SBC trained female Hebrew and history professors at our Southern Baptist seminaries. I have truly wondered about the root cause for such actions. What is the philosophical or theological premise that would lead some to exclude women from Southern Baptist positions for which they are either gifted, trained, or eminently qualified to hold?”

Burleson goes on to explain the theological foundation for Phillips’ patriarchy movement, which he deems a “new Christian cult.”

 
  • Lynn 04/25/2008 8:55:00 PM

    I was alarmed to read today the following quote by Patterson. In the link below there is a link to the mp3 file where he can be heard expanding on his advice to women in situations of domestic violence. It appears that he counsels women to stay with their husbands if there is physical abuse, but it isn't to the point where, I think the word he used was, "serious." Women are only counseled to leave the situation if it is serious enough, and I don't know what that line would be, according to Patterson. It would appear that to Patterson, black eyes do not qualify as "serious." Why in the world it would be proper to call the police on anyone else for black eyes, but only to pray for a husband who does the same thing to his wife, is beyond me. But see for yourselves: http://sbcoutpost.com/2008/02/25/defendant-paige-patterson-to-be-deposed-today/ "I had a woman who was in a church that I served, and she was being subject to some abuse, and I told her, I said, �All right, what I want you to do is, every evening I want you to get down by your bed just as he goes to sleep, get down by the bed, and when you think he�s just about asleep, you just pray and ask God to intervene, not out loud, quietly,� but I said, �You just pray there.� And I said, �Get ready because he may get a little more violent, you know, when he discovers this.� And sure enough, he did. She came to church one morning with both eyes black. And she was angry at me and at God and the world, for that matter. And she said, �I hope you�re happy.� And I said, �Yes ma�am, I am.� And I said, �I�m sorry about that, but I�m very happy.� And what she didn�t know when we sat down in church that morning was that her husband had come in and was standing at the back, first time he ever came. And when I gave the invitation that morning, he was the first one down to the front. And his heart was broken, he said, �My wife�s praying for me, and I can�t believe what I did to her.� And he said, �Do you think God can forgive somebody like me?� And he�s a great husband today. And it all came about because she sought God on a regular basis. And remember, when nobody else can help, God can. And in the meantime, you have to do what you can at home to be submissive in every way that you can and to elevate him. Obviously, if he�s doing that kind of thing he�s got some very deep spiritual problems in his life and you have to pray that God brings into the intersection of his life those people and those events that need to come into his life to arrest him and bring him to his knees."

  • Lynn 04/24/2008 4:08:00 PM

    We don't attend an SBC church. However, my SS teacher has a daughter who had to leave the SBC because they wouldn't allow her to be ordained to minister to the sick as a hospital chaplain. She was ordained by another denomination Neither my SS teacher nor I are egalitarian, but we are in disagreement with the SBC on this issue. I also think what happened to Dr. Klouda was abominable, if indeed it is the truth that she was assured her job was secure, only to be forced out later on. I also disagree that teaching men another language constitutes a violation of what Paul taught about the gathered worship in I Timothy chapter 2. It appears the conclusion of the SBC is a woman cannot teach a man ANYTHING, EVER, or she is in violation of the Word of God. Regarding this fracas over Cindy Kunsman's talk, Cindy has emailed me some of the lengthy correspondence she had with EMNR prior to her speech, and it is clear that she was quite candid about what she was going to present, as well as demonstrating a willingness to refine her speech or leave items out if they so directed her to do that. I agree with Wade Burleson -- if they disagreed with what she said, then let them refute her claims, instead of these kinds of heavy-handed tactics.

  • Cynthia Kunsman 04/23/2008 10:39:00 PM

    Goodness... Let me correct that... It is the formal position of Vision Forum that birth control is "strongly discouraged," not formally prohibited. I stated that in error in my previous comment here. Per the "unwritten rules" that are conveyed through social pressure and social mentoring in spiritually abusive groups, quite often the formally stated position of a group may not match what is actually practiced and believed by the group. The VF formal position on contraception can be found at www.VisionForumMinistries.org under the issues section in their many articles on the subject. So effectively and functionally, it may actually be true that Vision Forum forbids birth control, but they have a degree of plausible deniability that this is not the case. Such is the modus operandi with many other of Vision Forum's beliefs, conveyed through vague inference and unstated assumption.

  • Cynthia Kunsman 04/23/2008 10:30:00 PM

    Regarding this story, if you take note on Wade Burleson's blog comments following the piece about the lecture I gave, I note that I never stated that Vision Forum forbids all birth control formally. (It is noted in one of the first few comments in response to the blog post.) I never said that as the video of the lecture reveals. It is the formal position of Vision Forum that "birth control" is strongly prohibited, though in all actuality, birth control may be prohibited through social pressure and the "unwritten rules" of the group.

 

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