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Billy 09/21/2008 11:02:00 AM
How about this. Let's stop wasting our time and focus on real issues. This Cesar Chavez thing is bullshit. If anyone did their homework, they would know that he was against illegal immigration and had a goon squad (like mine) that would bust your head open if you fucked with him. Let's deal with intolerance, ignorance, and dumb fucks in Dallas that don't have the balls to say what they feel in public.
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Ron Mexico 09/18/2008 10:37:00 PM
Can't we all get along? Let's stop behaving so xenophobically & be more inclusive. Why, there are lots of streets & parks & bridges & waste water treatment facilities & landfills & city/county-owned buildings and the like in Dallas/Dallas County. Let's name 'em all for Texans we like. Hell, maybe just people we like...who cares if they were Texans. Here's a partial list of people whom I personlly find worthy suggestions:
Angie Harmon
Norah Jones
Owen Wilson
Phil McGraw
Mike Nesmith
Sharon Tate
Amber Campisi
Erykah Badu
Michael Johnson
Lee Trevino
George McFarland
Frank Beard
Robin Wright-Penn
Harold Taft
Che Guevara
Stephen King
Jabari
Michael J. Fox
Muhammad Ali
Voltaire
Paul Hogan
Tom Hanks
Oscar Schindler
Ernest Gallo
Julio Gallo
Charlemagne
John Coltrane
Rudy Giuliani
kd lang
T.S. Eliot
George Carlin
Bernie Mac
Bob Saget
Daisy Fuentes
Bob Hope
Geddy Lee
Winston Churchill
Mike Rhyner
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Tommy Bowden
Bobby Bowden
Joe Paterno
Forrest Gregg
Denis Leary
Dennis Lehane
Dennis Miller
Benji
Yoda
Cher
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CUTTHECRAP 09/16/2008 9:12:00 PM
Hey, "dewbanger":
There is NOTHING "racist" about "Texas Sally's" comments. I'm sick as shit of people like YOU tagging TRUTHFUL comments with the "racism" claim. Sometimes the TRUTH HURTS and in the case of "Texas Sally's" post, it apparently hurt YOU.
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BSDETECTOR 09/16/2008 9:05:00 PM
I'm not sure if you wrote this to be a "funny guy" or you have latino family members (maybe married to one) or, you're just being a smartassed TROLL. Even if this is your attempt at "humor," much less if you are serious, which I doubt, you were extrememly INSULTING to Dallas and its non-latino population. I anticipate a backlash of comments coming your way, which I sense is the way you get your jollies. Of course, you didn't even touch on the REASON of the negativity toward latinos and that is, the ILLEGAL mexicans. A HUGE number of them in the Metroplex that are here ILLEGALLY and DEMANDING "rights" in a Country they are here in ILLEGALLY. No matter how you want to "spin it," regardless of your "excuses" WHY they have chosen to BREAK immigration LAW, it does NOT change the FACT that many latinos came to the U.S. LEGALLY, with all the hassle that entails. It CAN be done. The ILLEGALS choose NOT to abide by the same LAW as their LEGAL brethren. That's DISRESPECTFULL of the U.S. The ILLEGAL mexicans in this Country have and ARE causing GREAT chaos of ALL types. YOU KNOW THIS. DON'T say you don't. I won't spell them out the details but schools, hospitals, violent crime, reduced wages, job losses, degraded neighborhoods, are but a FEW. For you to write an article like this, during these troubling times for Americans regarding this IMPORTANT issue is both IRRESPONSIBLE and CHILDISH.
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09/14/2008 9:21:00 PM
Some of the postings in this blog may indicate the need to discuss some of the most priceless lessons Cesar Chavez taught. Look at the link:
http://www.tolerance.org/teach/resources/viva_lacausa.jsp
We have a lot to learn. Cesar Chavez can be a priceless resource, unless we want to revert to some of the social attitudes publically accepted before 1960. The very process of considering a street name is allowing these issues to be made public. Just look at the blogs! Google blogs for Cesar Chavez Ave in Dallas. It is an eye opener for what still exists in Dallas in the area of what some call "tolerance." The ultimate decision our leaders make on the renaming of Ross Avenue will say a lot about Dallas.
Let us hope it is a positive message that helps preserve the memory of the Ross Brothers that was lost until this debate started. The memorial recommended, and to be paid for by the www.CesarChavezTaskForce.com group, will help keep the memory of the Ross Brothers before the people of Dallas in a much more effective way that the Ross street name ever did. Then the Cesar Chavez Avenue street name will tell the world of how inclusive and forward thinking the City of Dallas is. We acknowledge the progress of the many peoples who have gathered in this great nation that is only possible here in the USA! We acknowledge the great lessons that Cesar Chavez can teach to us. We can do it all peacefully as half a million people did on Ross Avenue on 4-9-06, following the teachings of Cesar Chavez!
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JOEY77 09/12/2008 11:17:00 PM
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION. WHO WERE THE ROSS BROTHERS AND WHAT DID THEY DO FOR DALLAS?? HMM� LET ME THINK THE ROSS BROTHERS WERE JUST THE FIRST LANDOWNERS IN DALLAS�OKAY ANYTHING ELSE??? I DIDNT THINK SO.
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JOEY77 09/12/2008 11:16:00 PM
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION. WHO WERE THE ROSS BROTHERS AND WHAT DID THEY DO FOR DALLAS?? HMM� LET ME THINK THE ROSS BROTHERS WERE JUST THE FIRST LANDOWNERS IN DALLAS�OKAY ANYTHING ELSE??? I DIDNT THINK SO.
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Joey77 09/12/2008 12:00:00 AM
And here's where I hit my first mental snag. If you haven't got a clue whom a street is named for, is that really a name worth fighting to preserve?
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Save Ross 09/10/2008 1:41:00 AM
Actually Julie, it is slightly about illegal immigration because the Chavez Task Force is saying that the Illegal Immigration Rights March that happened on Ross is a reason to rename it Cesar Chavez Blvd., even though Cesar Chavez was against illegal immigration. Other than that, no, it is not about illegal immigration. I don't think it matters how many people know about the Ross brothers history. They were still instrumental in the early days of Dallas and it is wrong and offensive to remove the honor the city bestowed upon them. Let's name something after Chavez. Just not Ross Avenue!
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joey77 09/08/2008 9:30:00 PM
Bastards?? Are you serious??? I think someone is very racist here.. but we won't go down to your level I guess our parents showed us better. I know your intiminated by the fact that the Cesar Chavez Task Force is doing a GREAT job on providing excellent information and informing everyone how GREAT Cesar Chavez really was! A TRUE AMERICAN AND A TRUE HERO!
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Julie 09/08/2008 8:17:00 PM
Lets get real! How are you going to disrespect Ross brothers when 99% of Dallas residents did not even know about this now "beloved pioneers." Besides, how can anyone disrespect someone when people are proposing to have a historical marker to honor them and most importantly to let others know about the "beloved pioneers" BTW, Sally - This is not about immigration; Cesar Chavez was a US-BORN CITIZEN who helped thousands of FELLOW AMERICANS.
This comment is not related but I want to learn more... (BTW I might be mistaken) I thought that most people from England arrived to the USA because they were expatriated so technically there was nothing legal about them. But if that is not true please let me know.
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Matt 09/03/2008 10:52:00 PM
Theres a simple fucking answer to all of this...
Find a street that hasn't been named yet, and name it whatever you want...
but don't take a street that has ALREADY been named after an important historical figure in our city, and CHANGE the name! That doesn't make a lick of sense, and furthermore, it's a slap in the face to the Ross Family!
Industrial? Sure! Rename it! Who gives a shit... but not a street that has a historically significant person's name already tied to it!
Why name something after someone... temporarily.
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Datmaskdman 09/03/2008 3:40:00 PM
Maybe latino's won't be for the name of Chavez when they find out that he was against illegal immigration?
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thgirbla 09/03/2008 8:58:00 AM
.....and the Mexification of the S.W.-U.S. continues......
The Texas I know growing up for the last 60 years has changed dramtically, and I must say not all for the better!!!
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John Cantu 09/03/2008 3:26:00 AM
The previous post brings home the scorched earth mentality proponents to rename Ross Avenue have taken in their effort to either completely remove Ross on Ross Avenue or to cut Ross Avenue into pieces in an effort to seek their version of political correctness. This group wants DMN City Hall Blog readers to get their message so bad they capitalize their target points leaving many DMN readers with a negative impression of the lack of respect this group covets towards respecting and retaining Dallas� rich robust pioneer history.
There is no question Cesar Chavez would be an excellent candidate deserving to be honored by having a significant street in Dallas named in his honor. But you don't throw out or chop up the rich pioneer history belonging to the Ross brothers in Dallas for over 107 years as a means to honor Mr. Chavez. Where is the wisdom in tampering with the historical footprint of the Ross brothers in Dallas simply because the City of Dallas literally screwed up their city sanctioned survey seeking public feedback to rename Industrial Boulevard? Let's be realistic, as bad as the City of Dallas� sanctioned survey turned out, it did not specifically indicate results of this survey would dictate a specific rename for Industrial Boulevard much less Ross Avenue.
Proponents of the push to rename Ross Avenue indicate this issue is no longer about Cesar Chavez. They ring the bell calling out for respect, diversity, and inclusion as their mantra to honor Cesar Chavez by removing Ross on Ross Avenue. But they totally disregard a plain fact that in doing what they are attempting to do they will be disrespecting the virtues of diversity and inclusion altogether in order to achieve their misguided goal.
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Kendal Reed 09/02/2008 8:23:00 PM
I hope this is all sarcasim.Otherwise, I may need to move to Montana.
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Joey77 09/02/2008 6:37:00 PM
By changing the street name Ross Ave. to Cesar Chavez Ave., does not mean that we are just letting a part of Dallas history go, were going to have preservation of a segment of Ross where the family resided as is and include a HISTORICAL MARKET IN HONOR OF THE ROSS BROTHERS In the corner of Ross Ave. and Market. Cesar Chavez is OUR NATION LEADER who deserves to be honored. He is a 2nd generation U.S. born citizen who fought in WWII and was awarded the Medal of Freedom by President Clinton... A TRUE AMERICAN HERO.Cesar Chavez received 52% of votes; next runner-up Riverfront with just 18%. Ross is the one-and-only choice there is. In August the mayor agreed that he would support the recommendations of the Latino city council members and asked them to cooperate with the community. If 3 Latino councils support it, Mayor said he would support it. The Cathedral of Guadalupe is in Ross Ave, a gathering of thousands of Hispanic parishioners every Sunday. Cesar Chavez used the Lady de Guadalupe as a symbol of peace during his movement. It is about diversity, inclusion, respecting, and honoring Latinos and our contributions to Dallas. It is NOT abut immigration, but about HONORING AN AMERICAN HERO of Latino descent.
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Ordinary Citizen 09/01/2008 5:27:00 PM
Get the facts. The Strayhorn Report cited here is nowhere near the full story.
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/
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Texas Sally 08/30/2008 11:42:00 PM
respone to Native:
I will be returning to my European homeland next summer. I will visit the port from which my ancestors legally embarked for America. I urge you to look up this word, and perhaps explain it to your beaner friends. As for your desire for reparations, I will try to see the Queen of England and, after negotiating for monies for the Irish, I'll mention your case. Maybe she and the Spaniards will cut you a check and you can use it to reinstate the human sacrifices that your folks were practicing at the time
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Texas Sally 08/30/2008 11:34:00 PM
respone to Native:
I will be returning to my European homeland next summer. I will visit the port from which my ancestors legally embarked for America. I urge you to look up this word "legally", and perhaps explain it to your beaner friends. As for your desire for reparations, I will try to see the Queen of England and, after negotiating for monies for the Irish, I'll mention your case. Maybe she and the Spaniards will cut you a check and you can use it to reinstate the human sacrifices that your folks were practicing at the time
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Michael 08/30/2008 6:51:00 PM
Satire on this: http://blog.crisatunity.com/2008/08/web-is-not-democracy.html
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08/30/2008 5:08:00 PM
Rafael Rodriguez, a Dallas native, member of the Dallas Achieves Commission, and a constituent within Dr. Garcia's council district was one of the first citizens to acknowledge to Mayor Pro Tem Dr. Garcia and her colleagues on the council expressing his concern that this issue could very well divide our city along racial lines and certainly not be a viable manner for Dallas' Hispanic community to gain respect.
Mr. Rodriguez urged Dr. Garcia to support a generic named street that the citizens of Dallas could embrace to be renamed in honor of Cesar Chavez. I hope Dr. Garcia and the council will be able to resolve this situation without further tampering with any Dallas street already named in honor of an individual and resolve this issue in a manner that justly reflects peace and harmony within the City of Dallas.
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Native 08/30/2008 6:45:00 AM
To Texas Sally:
As most Mexicans are Indians, and therefore indigenous to this land/continent, I look forward to learning when Texas Sally takes the next boat bag to her European land and pay the bill for the reparations and crimes committed by her ancestors who illegally invaded and occupied this land and committed genocide while profiting nicely. Great comments from others who challenged her simple-minded, malicious language. What country can we deport you to Sally, after you pay your bill and do your time?
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Matt 08/30/2008 2:34:00 AM
It amazes me how ignorant and hostile people can be! Last time I checked the WHOLE DFW Metroplex is seeing an influx of Latino residents not seen in history. This includes Dallas,Collin,Denton,Harris, and other counties. And I have witnessed lots of their children struggling yet making it in to college and advancing. Sooner or later we are going to have to realize that this nation (and especially this state) is diversifying and changing right before our eyes. And we as Americans instead of rejecting, should be giving a helping hand and seeing that these people and their generations following are going to be making the U.S. economy what it is.
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Julie 08/29/2008 11:51:00 PM
As I read the article, I did not know if I should cry or laugh but what blew me away was the bloggers. The fact that you are using comments like �brown people, more Mexicans, deported, illegal, Parkland Hospital Cesar Chavez Hospital� only shows how IGNORANT YOU ARE.
Do you not understand that Cesar Chavez (the person that the Latinos are hoping to honor) was a US born citizen, WWII Veteran, and a recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom? For your information, Mr. Chavez improved the working conditions of fellow Americans (in TEXAS, California, Michigan and the rest of the US) by increasing wages, establishing health care benefits, disability insurance and pension plans.
I totally agree with Mr. Jim with one thing, it is imperative that Latinos VOTE this November (to any Latino out there PLEASE VOTE).
Kevin � FYI, in order to register to vote one HAS TO BE A US CITIZEN and PROVE it. Sadly for you at least one million individuals have become US Citizens since July 2007. I also recommend that you read the report by Carole Keeton Strayhorn, Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts. She reported that �the undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues for FY 2005, which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received� (December 2006) a figure that is likely to resemble their yearly contributions to our state in the past, present and future.
Jay - It is UNACCEPTABLE that you and others are slandering against Constable Cortes� work and saying he is using tax-payers money, last time I checked he did NOT do petition signing during working-hours. I repeat he did petition signing during HIS PERSONAL TIME. And what is with this �public intimidation;� I would agree if he was wearing his uniform and carrying a gun but he was wearing a suit.
PLEASE STOP THE IGNORANCE & get your facts straight!
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common sense 08/29/2008 11:36:00 PM
Jake and all of you fans of illegal immigration. Please give me your address so I can send you the Parkland Hospital portion of my property tax bill. Oh and when you finish paying that one, I've got my repair bill that your illegal Mexican buddy with no insurance stuck me with. They haven't gotten my ssn yet, but when they do, I'm sure you'll be happy to straighten that out for me too.
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Jake 08/29/2008 8:12:00 PM
Jay,
How is Constable Cortes bullying anyone? My interpretation of his involvement is one of trying to assist a cause he believes in as a politician and a resident of Dallas. As an increasingly diverse city we need to embrace the Hispanic community as our neighbors to the south have (San Antonio Austin etc). Other great cities embrace their diversity, why don't we? As a white person I don't see anything wrong with allowing a community one thing they can point to as a source of pride. Constable Cortes is just standing up for something he believes in and I applaud him for it.
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Phil 08/29/2008 2:07:00 PM
I love it, Jim. I'd rather do that than call it 'Hunt Oil, Texas' which will probably happen in next year's city budget.
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Logical Guy 08/28/2008 11:46:00 PM
Let's rename Parkland Hospital Cesar Chavez Hospital. After all it is the gateway to the American Dream for all of those anchor babies. And it is THE medical care faciliy for all of the illegals. And, since I pay the taxes to heal the Mexicans there, and I am white, then logically I shouldn't have a damn thing to say about it, just as ol' Cesar would have wanted it.
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Lakewooder 08/28/2008 8:46:00 PM
When a minority demands that its history be recognized, you attribute that to racial pride, but when an Anglo demands that its history be preserved, you attribute that to racism? OK, then let�s follow this happy little trail to its logical conclusion. The Asian community has also had a positive influence and continues to grow, prosper and contribute to the city of Dallas. The Swiss community on the other hand appears to be dwindling, so I'm sure you won't oppose a referendum to rename Swiss Avenue Ho Chi Minh Avenue. Not to be left out, there also needs to be immediate recognition for Korean's, Peruvians, Ecuadorians, Venezuelan�s, Egyptians, Iranians, Pakistani's and Indian's. Jim, what streets to you propose that we rename in order to properly recognize these fine people, because if we agree to honor the Mexican's by renaming Ross Avenue, then we're certainly racist for refusing to rename Walnut Hill, Abrams, Skillman, Mockingbird, Oak Lawn, Maple, Main, Elm, Commerce, Pearl and Malcolm X, right?
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Lakewooder 08/28/2008 8:10:00 PM
When a minority demands that its history be recognized, you attribute that to racial pride, but when an Anglo demands that its history be preserved, you attribute that to racism? OK, then let�s follow this happy little trail to its logical conclusion. The Asian community has also had a positive influence and continues to grow, prosper and contribute to the city of Dallas. The Swiss community on the other hand appears to be dwindling, so I'm sure you won't oppose a referendum to rename Swiss Avenue Ho Chi Minh Avenue. Not to be left out, there also needs to be immediate recognition for Korean's, Peruvians, Ecuadorians, Venezuelan�s, Egyptians, Iranians, Pakistani's and Indian's. Jim, what streets to you propose that we rename in order to properly recognize these fine people, because if we agree to honor the Mexican's by renaming Ross Avenue, then we're certainly racist for refusing to rename Walnut Hill, Abrams, Skillman, Mockingbird, Oak Lawn, Maple, Main, Elm, Commerce, Pearl and Malcolm X, right?
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Jay 08/28/2008 8:04:00 PM
So what�s next? Are Ross Avenue business owners, including Harlan Crow, going to get a visit from Dallas County Constable Jaime Cortes to get Harlan to sign Constable Cortes' petition to rename Ross Avenue to Cesar Chavez Avenue? Or better yet, should Ross Avenue business owners now expect visits from Dallas County law enforcement officials seeking political reelection campaign donations? What a waste of Dallas County taxpayer funds.
Constable Cortes' actions may exemplify poor professional judgment, public intimidation towards Ross Avenue business owners, and reminiscent of the old Chicago ward politics. And this is how Hispanics in Dallas expect respect from Dallas' taxpaying citizens?
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Kevin 08/28/2008 6:27:00 PM
Getting the Hispanics to register to vote would require that somebody actually determine which ones are here legally and from that subset, which are actually citizens, and nobody in government at any level seems to want to do that, because then the rest would have to be deported which apparently would throw the earth off its axis. Except in Farmers Branch.
I think Greenville Avenue should be renamed to Guinness Avenue to remind people that it's a good place to drink and to celebrate Ireland's contributions to Dallas.
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Americano 08/28/2008 5:43:00 PM
Cesar Chavez was a socialist. He never even worked or lived in Dallas. If you want to live in Nuevo Laredo Jim, move there. Some of us like Dallas. We like Ross Ave. This city was founded by Americans, and we can name things whatever the hell we want. We aren't agitating to change the name of any streets in Mexico City to Goldwater Ave. Why is it that we Americans have to bend to the wishes of every MINORITY (36% is still a minority, btw), but in foreign countries we are told to shut up and let them run their country their way? If their country was so freakin' great, they would be there and we would be trying to get in. I'll never understand why people want to move from a shithole to a better place, and immediately try to turn that into the same kind of shithole they originally left. Jim, it's ok to tell brown people NO. I'm white, people tell me NO all the time. I'm expected to be a big boy and work harder, adapt, in general, deal with it. Are brown men and women so fragile that they can't handle the word NO? Are you so afraid that you can't say the word NO? Why don't they do what white people do in this situation? Build your own development, and name one of the streets or all of them for your favorite Mexican socialists. Do it yourself! Quit asking white Americans to change their lives and traditions to accommodate you, the visitor. We don't go to your country and demand that. If it's so great, go back. If you are here for a better life, figure it out. Learn from the people who provided this "better life" instead of trying to tear down everything they've done.
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Rafael Rodriguez 08/28/2008 3:36:00 PM
I suspect the Cesar Chavez Task Force will now attempt to the best possible extent, express their collective reasoning as to why the renaming of Ross Avenue in honor of Cesar Chavez is good for the City of Dallas. The trouble they face, however, will be in justifying their intention to literally wipe away from Dallas' map, a historical footprint of a Dallas pioneer family that has been in existence for over a century in the City of Dallas.
Respect? Cesar Chavez would not have allowed his memory to have been used in this manner. The irony in this whole fiasco is that Cesar Chavez was trained by a man named FRED ROSS as a community organizer for the Community Service Organization (CSO). Where is the divine wisdom displayed as Dallas' Hispanic community seeks respect?
If we continue insisting on changing the street name, we are essentially tampering with the memory and legacy of the Ross Family. I don't think these actions will gain "respect" for the Hispanic community. On the contrary, it will only serve to further divide our city along ethnic lines. For this reason, I believe the memory and legacy of the Ross family should be left undisturbed.
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Larry Sanders 08/28/2008 12:25:00 PM
Rename the city? - well Dallas is easier to spell. I think that we should rename a road for a local hero. How about Lupe Lane?
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Whataburger!!! 08/28/2008 5:39:00 AM
Dallas, the most Californilicius city in Texas.
Thank God for Collin County.
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Drewbanger 08/28/2008 12:47:00 AM
Hey Schutze,
Is it too late to add Texas Sally's comment to your article? I believe it would be placed under the "racist" paragraph.
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Texas Sally 08/28/2008 12:22:00 AM
Schutze writes "How can we not be better off for having more Mexicans?" I would be happy to enlighten the man. More Mexicans means more strain on the social services and infrastructure of Dallas. Everything from roads to air pollution, from water to health services. And I'm sick and tired of having to educate the little bastards, providing everything from language lessons to remedial math. Their criminal gangs, criminal drugs, criminal social security fraud, and downright criminal existence should be wiped from the City. i likr the name Dallas, but if we have to change it, let's change it "Stay-the-fuck-in-your-own-country" Texas.