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Smiley 02/12/2010 4:25:00 AM
Dallas police officers deserver to get shot! They are a waste of taxpayer dollars and do nothing to prevent crime. They are pencil pushing pussies!!
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Smiley 02/12/2010 4:25:00 AM
Dallas police officers deserver to get shot! They are a waste of taxpayer dollars and do nothing to prevent crime. They are pencil pushing pussies!!
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Matt 07/20/2009 8:45:00 PM
I agree with many on this board that people looking to host these music events should get their shit together in the way of liquor licenses, permits, etc... However, I also feel as though the city has purposely made hosting an event like this almost IMPOSSIBLE, as Pete touches on in the article. You just have to remember that you have no power in Dallas unless your activities somehow benefit someone in a higher position than you. If you haven't figured that out, you haven't been here long. Add that to the fact that this pompous city looks down it's nose at what you and I consider culture. My band stopped playing shows in Dallas altogether when we realized that all the venues virtually expect you to play for free. This city isn't worth trying to inject culture into when NO ONE (including the venues) really SUPPORTS live music. Play in Ft. Worth or Denton. You'll be glad you did.
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Jordan Hartman 06/24/2009 12:43:00 AM
Moving the bands inside won't help you anymore, with the city's noise ordinance allowing fines if the music can be heard outside. What constitutes as "heard outside" is up to the discretion of the investigating officer.
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Ann 06/17/2009 1:50:00 AM
I hate you, Avi, you have done your best to RUIN lower Greenville Ave. and I hate you more then anything else in this world. Woo hoo, you so want to be the Iatola of Greenville Ave., huh? If you don't like what I say you can email me at sliceofpeach@yahoo.com and we can set up a meeting because I would LOVE to RIP YOU A NEW A-HOLE, you stupid fuck!!!! Anyone who would like to also rip Avi a new one, email me and we can set up a GANG BANG of AVI!!!!
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xmlman 06/16/2009 6:56:00 PM
DFW is a s***hole as is the rest of Texas. A state populated by religious extremists and blowhard rednecks. I moved out FW to PA and haven't looked back. How about you guys take up Governor Goodhair on his proposal to secede. I'll come help you pack.
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Alexander Winchester 06/15/2009 4:47:00 PM
Ever heard of the fallacy of arguements? First, I have not attacked a single person, I only stated a simple truth, which is North Texas no longer has a strong music scene. Resorting to insults as a means to nullify my comments only shows that at some subconscious level what I had stated must really upset you, either because you see it as true or possibly putting this out in the open impacts you in some other way.
The main point here is rather than point out where I might be wrong which I still do not believe I am, you have to toss insults at me. Apparently there is not a true counter arguement and if there were you would have presented it. So please continue to call me names you prove my point.
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alex trebek 06/12/2009 3:46:00 AM
From the article: "the following weekend, a night of hip-hop and DJ performances at a vacant, rented warehouse south of downtown saw its liquor removed when the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission crashed the venue, a crew of DPD officers in tow, looking to close an event that had drawn nearly 300 attendees."
I had to stop reading after this was used to exaggerate your point. You took what sounds like a rave, busted by the TABC for most likely not having a proper liquor license, and trump that up as an example of the city discouraging the local music scene?
As for the greenville events, you're living in Avi's world you should know better.
And, Avi, you're still a douchebag.
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limeoncoco 06/10/2009 11:49:00 PM
response to dallas musician:
Only fags say "gig" dude. You must be in the Toadies or any other shitty Dallas band who only thinks "real bands" play on stages.
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jack 06/10/2009 8:41:00 AM
DENTON MUSIC SCENE
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2008/11/signs-of-life-2008-best-music-scene---denton-texas.html
"a shadow of its former self"? pfft.
I didn't realize the denton music scene got more press in the 80s.
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Dallas Musician 06/10/2009 1:56:00 AM
...and not to put too fine a point on it, but how does the Fire Marshall or the TABC figure into a hostility towards the music scene???
Again, those issues are not related or valid. If one is going to serve alcohol at an event, then there are freely available guidelines as to what permits, etc., need to be in place. The TABC will be the first organization to DEFEND your event, if you have properly put it together. It takes a fairly major breach to get stormed by the TABC.
Likewise, the Fire Marshall's office doesn't go around looking for music events to thwart. If the Fire Marshall is showing up, then something is amiss to the point that it is a public danger. Burning is a really crappy way to spend an evening. Again, if the event or club has taken care of business, the Fire Marshall is going to be home watching Letterman, not screwing with a performance.
None of these things are in any way related to the lethargy in the Dallas music scene. Anyone who has been around here for a while knows that shows got shut down just as often in the mid-80's, when the scene was arguably more robust.
But, then again, in the mid-80's, there were about six good live music venues in the Fair Park area alone. There was a live band in nearly every room in Deep Ellum.
Don't blame neighborhoods, cops, Fire Marshalls, and the TABC for this.
If you want a live music scene in Dallas, then don't pay a dime for a drink at a bar that doesn't have a band. Only patronize establishments that have live music, and soon, the only bars that survive will be the ones who support the music scene.
The fix is that simple.
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Dallas Musician 06/10/2009 1:40:00 AM
I understand the writer's perspective, but as a working musician in this market, must differ with the conclusion.
The events he describes are a total of three days work for the musicians involved. Say that every Dallas musician worked these three gigs, just for argument's sake.
That still leaves a couple hundred nights' work that musicians need to survive here, to create the "scene" that the author desires.
Well, here here. We all desire a music scene. But the problem is not with neighborhood associations. The problem is with the literally dozens of lousy clubs on Greenville alone that don't contribue a single thing to a SCENE (except, perhaps, crime scenes).
Want a music scene? Put a stage in every venue...INSIDE, where it doesn't disturb people legitimately trying to live their lives in peace, and let's have a music scene. That would work.
Trying to make the logical leap that neighborhood associations and cops are somehow thwarting the Dallas music scene is just not close to the truth. Overpriced spaces, greedy landlords, and bar owners are the primary culprits here. You cannot have a music scene when you have so few performance venues operating. And that has nothing to do with cops or homeowners.
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Alexander Winchester 06/10/2009 12:57:00 AM
It is a shame that the city of Dallas has abandon its arts. It is obvious that the end of the local music scene for Dallas has long been under way. I recall when Ellum was a hoping place 24/7. Now great local acts like the Toadies are reduced to have to place for city sponsored events that have cover bands for opening acts. Unfortunately it appears FW will follow suit and Denton is only a shadow of it's former self. Always bare in mind, the haves definitely dictate what the have not�s can have access to.
Thank god that there is an opensource movement for music otherwise local musicans may be reduced to playing at parties and garages in the Big D.
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BootyPatrol 06/09/2009 3:40:00 PM
Doesn't anyone else think the cop in this photo is totally bootylicious?!
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JustinM 06/08/2009 7:16:00 PM
On the other side of the spectrum, Seattle is offering tax incentives to venues that hold at least three shows a week of less than 1,000 people. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009312462_bluebox08m.html
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Blake Ward 06/08/2009 8:32:00 AM
I spent 12 hours setting up the etc etc party, and thanks to police interference, did not get paid a dime. When I unplugged the photobooth lights after two jubilant cops decided to take a celebratory photo, a female Dallas Police Officer said to me, "Awww Dont be hatin! Don't worry, I'll get you one day." Up until that moment, I had respect for the work that police do. Now however, my attitude is different. As they dumped the liquor out in the street, prostitutes were actively working the street corner across the way. Welcome to Dallas.
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Woody Rpsen 06/05/2009 10:45:00 PM
To those commenting about Deep Ellum: They already chased everyone out of here about a year and a half ago with the SUP fiasco at City Hall. You had property owners saying the same things about bars and clubs in DE/Expo that Avi gripes about all the time; the Barking Dog just does it more visibly. I think that the property owners on this side are cut from the same cloth as Adelman, or at least it seems that way. You are right though, Deep Ellum is (and WAS) the perfect place for a thriving arts/music scene. It used to take 45 minutes to drive from Hall to Good Latimer, and that was WHY people came, because it was truly vibrant. Now it's a ghost town.
I'll stop now before I ramble on.
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Adam 06/05/2009 12:26:00 AM
Deep Ellum was mentioned here. That area popped in my head when I was reading about the noise complaints around Greenville.
Why not just move it all back to Deep Ellum? Parking sucks on Greenville anyway and there are more lots in Deep Ellum.
It's a pretty incredible sight to ride down Main in Deep Ellum on a Friday or Saturday night and not see a soul on the street.
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Doug in DFW 06/04/2009 11:22:00 PM
It's apparent between the boot & Freedman's recap of recent events that the city thinks we're all best off indoors. The city budget sucks and we have $$ for the police to chase all these rabblerousers out for not celebrating in an approved locale like a Victory Park. I guess that makes sense since the city gets a cut when the fines roll in.
I'm happy Hunt had a good vacation in the Pacific Northwest but just look at Austin or Houston. Are they having this problem? Does their budget really impact the issue?
As far as Avi goes, here's some derision. Just picture him waving that taser around listening to some Ultramagnetic MC's to get his adrenaline going before he's off to film COPS Greenville . Just don't get in his shot - he's an auteur.
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bleh 06/04/2009 10:15:00 PM
dear, Avi Adelma.. I also live in this part of town.. And I do think your neighborhood association is pesky!
Guess what people post college are no longer moving to the burbs. They are moving to more urban, and more population dense places. Guess where that is at in dallas?? It's the lower greenville area! Guess what young people want?? Art, Culture, Music, and friendly people!
So be mindful of the rules, and politics you play with OUR neighborhood with your neighborhood association. The young outnumber you, and if we choose we can take over your association.
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Swiss Miss 06/04/2009 9:15:00 PM
Hahah our budget "sucks balls".
Hey Avi, you remind me much of the guy complaining about the trees because he can't see the forest. :) Think about it budddddddyyyyy.
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drew. 06/04/2009 9:01:00 PM
whoa, almost forgot! you suck avi.
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drew. 06/04/2009 8:48:00 PM
did a council member really just say "sucks balls"?
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pesky 06/04/2009 7:06:00 PM
Says the police report, two witnesses said that Adelman "violently pushed [Hanson] forward stating 'Fuck you bitch get out of my way.'" Two Dallas police officers who were also on the scene "heard [Adelman] yell at [Hanson and] turned to observe [Hanson] stumbling forward." The officers note that Adelman was reaching for a can of pepper spray, at which point he was once again heard saying, "Fuck you, bitch." The officers intervened by stepping in between the two "and bringing his right arm down to keep him from spraying" Hanson and the two other witnesses standing nearby.
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Avi Adelman 06/04/2009 1:02:00 AM
In your article you use the phrase - pesky neighborhood associations - with so much derision I can almost hear you spit the words out to the sidewalk.
Yes, the city needs a cultural center and a music center and a skateboard center and a place for free whatever. Just do me a favor and stop whining about how those pesky neighborhood associations are screwing you over.
We live here, and if collectively we decide that bogus event permits, large crowds, heavy traffic and trashed out streets are what we really want to live in, as well as give up our parking spaces for your friends, we'll let you know.
Just don't hold your breath that it will happen too soon.