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LeeLee 08/06/2010 3:25:00 AM
I think it is wonderful and refreshing to see that a school has high academic standards. UT seldom graduates a football player, well, less than 35%.... You can say they go to the pros, but unless they're very smart with their money they seldom end up anywhere but broke. Billy Don Jackson was an extreme example, but he was recruited by UCLA.... He couldn't even read. My son was a freshman math student when he was a senior at Sherman High School. Look him up.
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Rufus Levin 08/05/2010 4:58:00 PM
Well sure...let's go back to 1990 and the world of Bill Clements...that sure did a lot for SMU, the ponies, and the City of Dallas....HEY, SMU needs to be a first class academic university....sports can be handled fine by all the pro teams we have...and to get a bunch of duds with great speed and co-ordination but poor learning skills and knowledge is going back to the age of neadrathal thinking .... wake up sports jocks...it is a tough old world out there, and for the price of tuition and schooling...the SMU needs to turn out folks that move the nation forward...not more reasons for old guys to stay glued to the TV screen on Saturday. GROW UP.
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KPR 08/04/2010 6:34:00 AM
Tom Tunks, the ass. provost, said: "Things are fine. I don't think there are any problems at all. We are really unified here.... I don't sense any friction, and if there was any I'd pick up on it."
Sorry, but Tom Tunks must be a total and complete moron if he can't 'pick up' on the 'friction' and lack of 'unity'.
If SMU wants the best of the best when it comes to Student Athletes (with heavy emphasis on the 'student' part) then they should also press for above average to excellent men and women in the administration. Yet it is clear they have at least one goof employed. The administration should clean its own chicken coop before looking at the football program (which, academically and professionally is among the finest in the nation). The academic level may stay high, but should June Jones walk, SMU will lose their best hope for success. Should that happen, there will be more administrators than just Tuck who look like boobs.
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happy about it 07/31/2010 1:26:00 AM
Academics should be the only reason one goes to college
Leftists cry cry cry let your affirmative action causes be your next doctor
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Maybe 07/28/2010 7:12:00 PM
Maybe SMU is sick of having to babysit and coddle ghetto black criminals.
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Arthur_dent 07/25/2010 5:15:00 PM
What next COMPLAINTS THAT THEY WONT ACCEPT THE RETARDED??????
HARVARD does not get =criticized when they refuse to admit morns, or the stupid, neither should SMU. They are PRIVATE schools who want a reputation for having the SMARTEST students, & in the case of Harvard, the football team can go (Explicative censored) themselves........
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RJ 07/21/2010 10:27:00 PM
Racist much, Sharon?
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Glads 07/21/2010 5:41:00 PM
Why is this even a story? Some kid who knew what needed to be done to gain acceptance and failed to hit that was not admitted. Who cares if he was a football player or not. Are there not quite a few potential students there right now at summer school trying to prove they deserve to go there, some of them will also not be admitted. People, SMU just spent a ton on getting a quality head coach, do you really think the school doesnt give a rats rear end about football? All these blog addicted peeps with too much time on their hands need to look at it for whats it truly is...not a race issue, not a admissions screwing the fb program or whatever else....its holding to a standard and recruits needing to hold up on their end of the bargain. No Brainer........ SMU , stick to your guns.
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SMUAlum 07/20/2010 5:38:00 PM
It's one thing to have standards that are set and specific. It's another for an arbitrary review panel to determine a prospective student-athlete's admission based on their opinion that a person has at least a 50% chance of graduating. What are the criteria for that determination? SMU has failed to disclose what the panel uses to make that decision. And how can that panel be fair and equal in its decisions when, by all appearances, it doesn't seem that it takes the time to meet or speak to the applicants in question. I put the capabilities of the various academic support systems in place for all students, including athletes, at SMU over the abilities of many of the country's public schools to help a student be successful in college. This review panel, with its current practices, is not in the best interest of the athletic department or the university.
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sharon 07/20/2010 6:07:00 AM
SMU do not want black students unless they are hand picked by SMU Staff. SMU do not want any Black students to ask any questions. They are white and they are right.
SMU has had this problem for a long time. The Media played a roll in getting this information out to the public at this time. It will be just a matter of time before they band the Media from the Campus. It is our fault as Blacks for not stopping SMU from using a system to pick it students. Your Bank account is what counts at SMU. Turner is from Mississippi(FACT). That should tell you what kind of person he is. He is a supporter of all non black programs at SMU and before He came to SUM too. Just check his records. Was he a friend of David Duke?
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AEA 07/19/2010 8:45:00 PM
I say accept the students that are great athletes, but not so great academically. But don't give them a degree. Give them a "football certificate".
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Matt 07/19/2010 8:16:00 PM
Is it impossible to just expect high academic achievement from athletes? I mean, why does it HAVE to be one or the other. I can a do a lot of shit at one time, so why is it ridiculous to expect good football players to actually be intelligent? Again, why is it one or the other? How one-dimensional are these "athletes"?
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MrMustang1965 07/19/2010 6:09:00 AM
Once again the Dallas Observer takes information from a controversial 'source' and not the 'official' source (June Jones or R. Gerald Turner) and creates a so-called story linking two issues that have NOTHING whatsoever to do with each other!
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Larry N. Ramsey 07/19/2010 5:55:00 AM
Yes, this same thing happened to my son when SMU pulled his scholorship. They changed leadership in the music dept. and dropped all scholorship offers to woodwinds in favor of strings. No other explanation was given.
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danno 07/17/2010 10:44:00 AM
June Jones had an ongoing thing with the administration in Hawaii too --- only in Hawaii it was lack of funding for facilities
meanwhile Georgia practiced like there was no tomorrow to crush the run and shoot at its weakest point
in the end June Jones has proven to be an excellent coach to turn around a mid-level program --- but a national championship will always be elusive, and that will have nothing to do with having a few kids that don't qualify because of academics
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Mustang Fan15 07/17/2010 1:35:00 AM
I am a former football and baseball letterman who attended S.M.U. on a athletic scholarship. I probably would have been considered a conditional admission today because I had a 950 SAT score. During the spring I was forced to practice football and baseball on the same day. I can't tell you how many hours we practiced a week during football season. This was before the 20 hour maximum rule that is in effect now. I graduated with a 3.2 GPA and completed my degree in four years. I had excellent support from the athletic department if I needed tutoring, etc. Just becasue you look like a conditional admission student doesn't mean you can not graduate.
You have to only look about thirty miles west at T.C.U.to notice the quality of their program and everyone knows they have conditional admissions. S.M.U has conditional admissions in the music and dance fields. Nobody has a problem with that. Why is it any different in athletics?
By the way the University of Texas football program provided the university with roughly 270 million dollars last year considering television revenue, ticket sales, bowl game revenue etc. What if S.M.U.'s football team could provide just a thirty million dollar contriibution to the university? That would be incredible.
If you are a fan of not having conditional admissions in the athletic department then let's just drop football. Every university takes them. What kind of impact do you think Larry Johnson would have had on the basketball program in his day. He couldn't get into S.M.U. and went to U.N.L.V. How did that work out for S.M.U.?
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Mustangfan 07/16/2010 7:20:00 PM
Richie: You are right to note that there are real tensions at SMU between Athletics/Boosters and Administration (and faculty). But, you get nearly everything else wrong. The Athletic Department has attempted numerous times to run roughshod over (and end runs around) the Adminsitration. Orsini is like a dictator of a run-away banana republic (can you say Hugo Chavez?). To him and Jones, the rest of the University exists soley to serve the athletic program, particularly football and Men's basketball. By the way, Jones has claimed a number of times in public that 650 million people (2.5 x the population of the US) watched the Aloha Bowl! The fact is, SMU lost money over the Aloha Bowl, but try to get transparency on this and other issues form Orsini. The fact that you actually wrote the words "academics over athletics culture of stubborness" says all we need to know about where your head is at. Gerald Turner and others deserve to be praised for holding the line against the "athletics over academics" culture of entitlement that Orsini and Jones believe in. It is a fantasy of people who know very little about universities that a major football program enhances the quality of a university. As always, it is not good for anyone that kids get caught in the crossfire.
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smu athlete alum 07/16/2010 7:07:00 PM
As an ex athlete, we work our butt off. probably more than all you 'academics' why? because we play a sport, essentially job, that requires at LEAST 20 hours a week and STILL go to school, STILL study and sometimes we can sneak in a little sleep. Yeah, so maybe you worked your way through college. Well unless you worked at a construction site, there's no way your job was as physically demanding as what ncaa division 1 athletes have to do.
Guess what else? Schools with amazing football programs make BANK. Do you know what that means for the school? that means more money gets spread around everywhere. that means higher ticket sales, tv contracts, everything. Academics gets part of that too; and YOU as a STUDENT don't get that dreadful letter at the end of the year saying YET AGAIN your tuition went up 7%. Especially as a private school, we are most definitely a business, we are our only source of revenue, we get no money from the state. We can't be the snarky institution that you tout in your snobby little comments without any money to run said academic programs now can we? Are you going to pay 75k a year to go to SMU? doubtful, not without an academic scholarship at least. and where do you think that comes from? I couldn't get an academic and athletic scholarship because it came from the SAME pool. It seems that although everyone graduated with honors in this comment roll, apparently nobody took economics 101.
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Triple Wildcat 07/16/2010 5:43:00 PM
MA: Many universities have become proficient at keeping academically deficient athletes eligible, and even graduating them, through the use of academic centers and tutors created specifically for the athletic department. It's really not much different than it is for "regular" students - getting into a school is often harder than actually staying in school. I've even heard this about Ivy League schools.
Of course, it helps if you're a huge, public university with a variety of courses and majors. The bigger the school, the more likely there are easier classes that below-average students can pass. And with tons of academic support, i.e. tutors, most jocks who attend class and turn in paper on time can pass. Texas Tech, for one, has impressive graduation statistics for its student athletes. It's not because Tech recruits a lot of brainy athletes.
This is the double-whammy for a small private school like SMU trying to attract student athletes. There's no P.E. major, and it's not a go-to place to become a teacher/coach like most state schools.
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B 07/16/2010 2:31:00 PM
Make up your mind SMU - you can't have it both ways. Either compete in Division 1A or drop down. But you can't have high academic requirements and still compete on a high level. There is a reason Harvard and Yale are not in the BCS every year. It is unfair to everyone to say you want both - that is not realistic.
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Tex Tradd 07/16/2010 6:18:00 AM
SMU's graduate programs are well-regarded regionally and some even nationally. but, fair or not, the undergraduate programs have been saddled with a reputation for allowing some academically mediocre party-kids and preppy children of alumni in. Compared to,say, the intellectualy serious undergrads at the University of Dallas, SMU's reputation lagged. Kenneth Pye and others laudably battled to make SMU more pedagogically rigorous. Hopefully it will not now backslide due to the atheletic program.
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LLN 07/16/2010 4:31:00 AM
This is still the 'No Pass-No Play' issue.
This topic continues to be a Very sore subject for me. I am angered by it at the high school level and then insulted by it at the university level.
Southern Methodist UNIVERSITY. UNIVERSITY! Not football training camp. The football is incremental to the university, just like in high school. But football is dictating to the university. The tail is wagging the dog. The University of Texas at Arlington discontinued its football program years ago and still UTA carries on. If you were to take football away from SMU, the university would continue. But if you took the university away from the football, there would no longer be any 'scholarships'. The 'scholarship' continues to be an excuse to bring in a known academic underachiever to an institution of HIGHER LEARNING.
How many times have there been classes created with the course title being similar to 'Physics for jocks'?
If you win a football game, then YIPPEE! If not, you should not lower the minimum admission requirements for those who play football.
We should stop pretending that football players have come to the university for an academic education and openly acknowledge that the university is paying for their pre-NFL football training.
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GK 07/16/2010 4:17:00 AM
Good grief. A university is being held to the fire by sports fiends over this? It is, in theory, an institution of higher learning, not a playground - and the notion that athletes should get a break because they are the high profile face of a university is a self defeating and idiotic proposition. Even so, it happens. And the more it is done, the less valuable the degrees which the university offers. There are far better businesses to be in than a university if one is only out to make money. Put academics first, where they belong - and sports a distant 4th or 6th, where they belong in the context of such an institution. Otherwise, we can enjoy better sports and, increasingly, less capable graduates. We're already well down that path, it seems, as more cheer on this kind of foolishness.
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Chubs 07/16/2010 12:11:00 AM
So this board approves more than 90% of the people sent to it and of the two it didn't one could have gone to Oregon State and the other is such a good football player that his backup plan is to play baseball at UTSA.
Sounds like Jones is just mad that he doesn't have 100% control over every aspect of the team.
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Mortgage Guy 07/15/2010 11:20:00 PM
Stick to your guns, admissions. I love it that my degree means something. For 25 years, I've heard the following at consulting jobs: "SMU, huh? Too bad about your ponies. When can you start?" There's games and there's life. Maybe college is a good time to start teaching kids the difference.
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Peruna 07/15/2010 10:52:00 PM
Turner should be fired immediately. I won't be donating to the school any more until he's gone. No responsible organization allows this kind of stagnation in the leadership.
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Cathy 07/15/2010 10:08:00 PM
With TCU as a prime local example, I don't understand why the faculty and administration have not learned that a winning sports team raises the caliber of their entire applicant pool as more and more people become aware of the school through the publicity that is garnered. It is free public relations the likes of which you can't pay for!!
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Michael 07/15/2010 8:32:00 PM
Lisa, I agree with your comment, but I doubt you were a football player. The odds are very much against student-athletes doing well in college if they did not perform well in high school. It's just a fact.
Why should SMU be giving money to those people? Student ahletes may offer "more" to the university, but a 2.5 GPA/900 SAT is VERY LENIENT.
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Michael 07/15/2010 8:22:00 PM
Heaven forbid SMU try to maintain academic standards. After all, they are only an institute of higher learning.
Why not make an exception for really hot chicks, too?
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SMUAlum 07/15/2010 7:50:00 PM
Thank you for writing this article, Richie. It's disappointing that the academic leaders at SMU do not fully understand the impact a quality football program brings to a university. The actions of this subjective review board are shortsighted and unfair.
We're to believe this board can review a student-athlete on paper and predict whether they have a chance at graduating, without (by all indications) take the time to meet the applicant in person or over the phone?
If this review board is going to exist, it should base its requirements on objective goals, not the whims or academics at the school. Oh wait; the NCAA already does that for the entire collegiate sports community.
The university has an obligation to consider an applicant's entire contributions to the institution. A stellar musician, dancer or artist that sucked it up on their SAT can get accepted because of their potential contributions to the Meadows School. I know this happens because I was one such case.
But because of the negative stigma the academics have against athletics, an applicant that will bring contributions to the playing field doesn't get the same treatment. Not to mention the fact that SMU athletes benefit from the stellar academic support provided by tutors and the coaching staff.
President Turner has had more than a decade to get SMU football in the right direction and he's not getting it done. If he can't get the academics in check, he needs to go. The future of our university and our degrees are at stake.
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Lisa 07/15/2010 7:26:00 PM
High school grades and test scores remain a completely useless tool in determining who will succeed in college, student athlete or not. I know way too many people who had MUCH better grades and higher test scores than me, and not only did they flunk out, I went on to get a graduate degree. Not only that, but many athletes have an advantage of tutors to ensure that they stay on track and complete course work.
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Lauren 07/15/2010 5:32:00 PM
WinGames, I'm not clueless. I understand how important football can be to a university. I guess sometimes I forget that universities are a business, not an institution.
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QM 07/15/2010 5:02:00 PM
As an alumnus, I'd love to see a winning football team, but honestly, I'd prefer the school be known as a top-tier academic institution rather than a football powerhouse. There are few examples of private universities that consistently achieve both. Would Stanford, one such school that comes to mind, accept these recruits? And if you lower academic expectations right from the get go, aren't you sanctioning lower standards for the entirety of their scholastic career? And where do you draw the line? When do you stop making exceptions? We aren’t doing these kids or our society any favors by producing more ego-driven, overpaid athletes who’ve been taught again and again that the rules don’t apply to them.
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Jack 07/15/2010 4:39:00 PM
It seems to me that admitting athletes with 2.5 high school GPA's and 900 SAT's (I assume that's based on the old 1600 max score) is a huge concession already. I seriously doubt that a non-athlete with those scores could gain admission to SMU. I don't know the particulars of these two men, but the school has to draw a line somewhere.
BTW, I fail to understand why your "newspaper" feels compelled to use obscenities when proper English would be more precise. Most of us got over using obscene language to show that we were "cool" or not part of "the establishment" by the time we turned 25.
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SMU SPORTS FAN 07/15/2010 4:27:00 PM
lol SMU! Everyone knows academic standards are for squares. Definitely recruit/graduate student athletes who never progress past an 8th grade reading level. It's kewl. I totally don't mind having the same degree as them. WOOT bowl games!
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Rangers100 07/15/2010 4:19:00 PM
LSU, UCLA, Oregon...?
What?
Jackson's only other offer was from San Diego State:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Darryl-Jackson-110570
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lol'ing 07/15/2010 4:01:00 PM
Pathetic. Of course players should be given some slack, they are more than just students, they are student athletes. For the same reason high scoring ace students are given scholarships...so are high scoring/defending ace players, production. Like it or not, the Football team IS ABSOLUTELY the face of your school and its success is necessary for growth and prestige of your university. If June leaves, it will take 3-4 times as long as its already taken to get back to where you are now. The admin has ruined your ability to recruit now (what kid is going to want to sign there and risk getting booted? the majority of athletes arent rhodes scholars)and are about to force out JJ. Time for Students and Alumni to step up for June, one helluva coach.
Btw, thanks for Jackson, hes got all the intangibles...and is not going to UCLA anymore, hes coming to Tech.
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Jakey Don 07/15/2010 4:00:00 PM
I would like to vote for Lefty the Chihuahua
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WinGames 07/15/2010 3:31:00 PM
Hey Lauren, you're clueless. Of course football players need special treatment, they perform a service for the school - advertisement. Check the number of applications to the school and the amount of alumni donating to the school (including academic donations) after this winning season. It's WAY up.
Every team in the country has special admissions for athletes. If anyone doesn't like it, they can go to school at a New England liberal arts college and not a University.
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SaveUsDoak 07/15/2010 3:28:00 PM
"RichieSucks"-This isn't an anti-SMU article. This is needed to save SMU. If this isn't resolved, June Jones may bolt, and nobody else worth anything will want to come here! Keep this in the dark and nothing changes, and we'll be back to 1-win seasons.
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Gordon Rea 07/15/2010 2:40:00 PM
Kenneth Pye all over again. SMU, which is my school, needs to either get out of athletics or get on a level playing field.
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Lauren 07/15/2010 8:16:00 AM
Yes, high academic standards shouldn't be applied to athletes. They aren't the same as everyone else applying to the school. Admissions criteria should be different for those who could win football games, because football is what college is all about.
Seriously? Let SMU keep their high standards. Or shall SMU slip back into the 80s, when bending over backwards for football players nearly killed them?
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mustangunner 07/15/2010 6:31:00 AM
Fire Turner!!!
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RIchieSucks 07/15/2010 5:42:00 AM
Gee, another negative article about SMU - Richie loves to put SMU down any chance he gets. For some reason, ALL writers of Dallas media love to hate on SMU.
By the way, we just got a 4 star recruit that was considering a lot of top schools - A&M, among many others.
Go Ponies
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Warrior Boosters 07/15/2010 4:30:00 AM
We'll give you anything you want to come back to the Warriors... just name it. Coach Jones, please come back home where you belong.
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Stallion 07/15/2010 3:29:00 AM
President R. Gerald Turner is a personal friend but he should be fired immediately.
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MA 07/15/2010 2:36:00 AM
If you're grades are so low that you can barely get into a school, how the hell are you going to play football and keep them high enough to keep from failing, thus, making you unable to play football. I guess June Jones also expects all the professors to kiss the football players' butts and inflate their grades, too.
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808 07/15/2010 2:06:00 AM
We'll we in Hawaii would love to have June back!