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Keon Wimsatt 09/14/2010 2:10:00 PM
The "Amongst U.S." banner at the top of this article is misleading and one of the most popular distortions of history regarding the southwest acquisition. It is true that the southwest and western territories did belong to the Mexican government and had Mexican nationals along with Native Americans living there under the Mexican government's jurisdiction but that land was both won as the spoils of war and purchased for what today's currency would equal $487,000,000 dollars. How can you "steal" something that you paid fair market value for after you have already defeated an enemy? That amount was half the sum offered to Mexico for the same territories before the Mexican-American War began. All of this happened over 200 plus years ago and acting now as if Mexican nationals have the right to be in those states without documentation is absurd. THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT SIGNED THE TREAT OF HIDALGO AND CEDED THOSE "STATES" TO THE UNITED STATES AS A FINAL SOLUTION TO THE HOSTILITIES OF THE MEXICAN-AMERICAN WAR. A WAR IN WHICH THE LARGER NATION WITH THE LARGER ARMY (MEXICO)LOST ON THE BATTLEFIELD. Saying that Mexico still owns that land or Mexican nationals have full rights there is akin to purchasing a house and then having the previous owner return decades later and say "my family originally owned this house, so I can do what I like there". Doesn't that seem stupid?
In response to the story above, if the U.S. didn't have to absorb half a million illegals from Mexico on an annual basis (not taking into account the cost of their presence, health care, entitlements that are illegally or legally gained). We could admit more asylum seekers from Mexico but they would have to be replacing the illegals (have of whom are seeking asylum without asking permission from the government)that are coming here in droves. Fix that problem first and all other issues of immigration from Mexico can be address.
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selfish 09/01/2010 6:26:00 PM
Make Mexico the 51st state. OR like the US Virgin Islands, it could be the US of Mexico. Huh, good idea, everybody happy. get rid of the drug cartels, Yeah Manny, people could retire there. I'm writing my representatives and the president. The desert where people are dying could be turned into something like Vegas, all of the business that exploit illegals, are you reading this, THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE! JOBS JOBS, JOB FOR EVERYONE.
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manny s 09/01/2010 5:15:00 PM
ICe as soon as you leave the land of my ancestors and go back to europe.
hobnob i understand that but in this article we are talking about mexico...here is my idea to fix this,,,legalize some drugs,,,create a TRI-NATIONAL police force /us-mex-can/ with judges and prisons for crimes that involve crossing nations,,drugs coming to the US/Can,,guns going into mex. this gives us the excuse to use the best police and investigators in the world with the authority to bust people in all three national and both canada and mexico wont feel their sovereignty is being stepped on,,,,Create a work system--workers come to the US, retirees go to Can or mex.. we can all win and make it better.
selfish,, i disagree... you may try reading what the US has done in other countries to see that the US is not weak..look at history and what the US has done the last 150 yrs relating to Latin america i assure you that you will be surprised.
i think your saying,, why should mexico get special treatment that africa does not get?? you would be wrong africans have a higher percentage of getting accepted than mexicans for visas but the short answer to why mexico should be treated better is, Trading, Oil, Commerce and proximity
it has always been there and will always be there.
i think it has been mexico that has been weak with the US maybe they should look toward Russian and China for partnerships,,i dont think you would like those war ships sitting in the Gulf doing exercises with the mexican navy and i wonder if that might change some points of view??
i dont think its a hidden agenda but YES!! i want more latinos in the US, yes i want latino governors in the South, Yes i want the senators from texas to be latino and liberal,,,we will get there,,,we are on our way
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SELFISH 09/01/2010 5:57:00 AM
What I was trying to say is that the one thing they had in common was the instinct to see weakness with no remorse in using that weakness against you. The overwhelming compassion shown in the US and the governments failure to take care of our immigration issues is our WEAKNESS to them.
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selfish 09/01/2010 1:25:00 AM
Manny, see how self-absorbed, self-centered you are. The World does not revolve around Mexico. They think only of themselves and what they are going through, dummies not even aware there are other people in this World. You never ever see them reaching out to help others only each other and taking whatever they can get. One comment said they were more christian than Americans, I would like to know IN WHAT WAY??? Just because you sit in church does not make you a christian in your heart. You Mexicans know you have a hidden agenda. When I was younger, I had one friend from South America and one from Germany, and one from Jamaica (who refused to become a citizen, and eventually was deported) I admired their aggressiveness, eagerness to acquire the American dream, they became citizens and are living out their dreams successfully. But I have to tell you one thing I did learn from them, show weakness and they will walk all over you with no remorse. It seems every other country has that overwhelming survival instinct except the US, we will take anything and everything and fight amongst ourselves.
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hobnob 09/01/2010 12:52:00 AM
mannys: there are more attrocities in the other parts of the world than things that are going on in Mexico.
Africa and genocide, talk about people killing other people... far worse than what is happening in Mexico.
Also, did you not read the NYTimes, a new war is upon Mexico, all the corrupt police that got fired will probably go to work at the cartels, heck, one of the rival cartels was started by an old fired corrupt cop.
So let me know what your idea of cleaning up Mexico will be b/c I sure as hell think hiring the Chinese army to fight the cartel is probably a cheaper and viable solution.V
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ICE for mannys 08/31/2010 11:01:00 PM
mannys - Go the fuck back to Mexico you dirty greasy stupid beaner
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mannys 08/31/2010 10:17:00 PM
To
STOP RUNNING, Naive Libtards Suck Ass, PROGRESSIVE NO MORE, Catapul, Whodat, Larry Terry, Nuke, STUPID, STUPID MARIE, Marie stupid naive white bitch
Dallasite , especially jOEY and Blueicap,, Crisp, BacktoMexico, Bob. I am sure glad that you lead by example and that your ancestor were not a bunch of punk ass bitches who did not stay and make their country better instead of trying to come to America like those Mexicans, I am glad your ancestors stayed and fixed all the problems there,,,,OH NO WAIT ,,,you all are here!!! like the Mexicans your ancestors RAN AND FLED like punks whatever hole of a country they came from unlike the Mexicans they were not already here and in the south [texas California Arizona Colorado Nuevo mexico la florida ]
To
BossByeBye,, hobnob ,SB1070
The only thing the ‘americans’ had to fight for was ,,,KILLING OFF THE INDIANS and taking their land, becoming Mexican citizens to live in texas and then turning on the Mexicans, rushing in mass to ALTA CALIFORNIA [why do you think the Mexican part is called Bajo California because the top part was alto california] and squatting illegally and then ‘ declaring’ independence, the ‘americans’ didn’t have a superpower supply high caliber weapons and technology to the Indians and Mexicans otherwise you be in the OLD Country.
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Naive Libtards Suck Ass 08/31/2010 6:12:00 PM
"Shocking...the comments are full of racists."
Then walk your talk and move to a Mexican neighborhood, you naive bitch.
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thejonesey 08/31/2010 4:44:00 PM
Shocking...the comments are full of racists. And here I thought Dallas was so cosmopolitan and educated.
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PROGRESSIVE NO MORE 08/31/2010 12:47:00 AM
Is this what we want for our Country? People who take,take,take with their selfish, self promoting arrogant pride. C HOW U R, I'm ashamed of you. I used to be a progressive, NOT ANY MORE. I'm done with bleeding heart fairly tale lies, we can all live together. Heck, my life is rough too. This is a good place to vent but there is more power in voting out those losers in the political arena whether they be left or right. We need strong people in our government. Not the crazies.
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Mark 08/30/2010 11:06:00 PM
I disagree with this quote from the article; "Mexican citizens have nowhere to turn. Except north." There are other options. They could apply for asylum to any other country in the world. Did they try Panama,Cuba, Canada, Brazil, Argentina? Maybe they have less restrictive asylum laws. BTW how hard is it to receive asylum in Mexico?
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STOP RUNNING 08/30/2010 10:50:00 PM
COWARDS!!! FIght for your country. Not here over but over there. Your PRIDE AND LOVE OF MEXICO IS SO STRONG THEN FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. I bet you can't protest over there. STUPID AMERICANS LIKE MARIE AND THE OTHER. THEY NEED TO FIGHT FOR THEIR COUNTRY NOT RELIE ON THE OH WOE ME, I NEED ASYLUM AND HELP WHEN THEY GET CAUGHT. OTHERWISE THEY ARE SNEAKING AND TAKING ANYTHING THEY FEEL OBLIGATED BECAUSE THEY ENDURED THE TORTURES OF GETTING TO US. PROTESTING AND DEMANDING THAT THEY BELONG HERE WHEN THEY SHOULD BE IN THEIR COUNTRY FIGHTING FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. I'M TIRED OF THIS ALL.
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Catapult 08/30/2010 10:48:00 PM
ToMarie,
You can hop on the same train, baby. Don't let the door hit you in that fat ass when you leave. Here is a Mexican flag you can wrap yourself in. Round 'em up and head 'em out.
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BossByeBye 08/30/2010 10:44:00 PM
Marie,
You are an idiot. The problem lies in Mexico and with the gutless Mexican people that are too cowardly and weak to stage a revolution and take their country back from the oligarchy of kleptocracy it has become. Just because Mexicans are too cowardly and weak to fix their own shithole of a country does not entitle them to any "right" to emigrate to the United States, nor is it a permission slip to illegally cross borders. The second problem is idiots like you that operate from ignorance, yet feel a burning need to espouse your ignorance on something you have no clue about. I really like the comment another person made about how Mexicans love to wave the flag of their cesspool of a country - but don't have the balls to actually live there. Illegals and liberal idiots. We really ought to find an island somewhere where they could all coexist happily ever after. Hail SB1070, as it will be found Constitutional - and 23 States will pass similar laws and the deportations can begin.
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To Marie 08/30/2010 10:21:00 PM
Marie, you are scarce touch of common-sense, good heart & decency in a pool of hateful insensitive jerks. I agree with you 100%. Don't ever lose that touch with humanity like apparently many others did.
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Whodat 08/30/2010 5:39:00 AM
I agree with blueicap. Mexicans, it's time to take back control of your country. Already there are towns in Mexico where vigilantes are defending themselves from the criminals. Your cops and officials are already being bought out by the drug lords so there is little hope with them. While Texans are proud of their one little time in history known as "The Alamo", Mexican history is dotted with many such instances where patriots fought to the last man, woman and child against overwhelming odds. You need to harden up and do it again. It won't be easy but you have to do it instead of escaping illegally into a country that isn't yours and that doesn't benefit from your heart and love. Stand and fight Mexicans. It may be easier to get American military aid than to get amnesty for free. Do it for your future or you will not have one!
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C HOW U R 08/29/2010 2:34:00 AM
I don't know what the solution to all the violence in Mexico.
They are the USA's neighbor for God sake!
I wish that we can help instead of being thousands of miles away fighting and helping other countries. But I geuss there must not be any oil in Mexico.
The Hispanics are my co-workers, neighbors and my friends. The VAST majority are very good... no great people! The Hispanics are more true Christian in nature than the most of the USA's cultural divide.
I am middle class white female. I wish that there was something that I can do to help. However, I too am afraid of the Cartel activity here in the states, and of my fellow USA citizens that are so hateful! I am going to do what it takes to stay alive.... just like Sarah and the illegals that want to stay alive!
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C HOW U R 08/29/2010 2:18:00 AM
I am so ashamed of all of you that are so hateful.
The title was right. The USA lets in people from other countries of such violence and authority abuses. Our armed services even go and help fight against such tyranny.
You would do the same if you were in the same situation.
Well, your ancestors did or you wouldn't be here in the USA writing such hate.
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Larry Terry 08/28/2010 8:18:00 PM
Great. One story couldn't change my views about the terrible things,those that do ILEGALLY come across the border,do here in Texas,AZ,NM and Cali.Drive-by shootings, Crystal Meth, manufacturing,Rape,Robbery,Burglary, Car jacking, Home invasion and some elderly are killed by Mexican gang members of MS-13 just to watch `em twitch'. Sorry I'm tired of hearing from hanky yanking,bleeding heart,hand wringers about the plight of Messico and their inbred idiots for citizens.
God bless Amerika,Isreal and G.E. for their Electronic Gatlin Gun.[30,000 rounds per minute]
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Nuke 08/28/2010 7:23:00 AM
You can write all the heart tugging editorial nonsense you want, but it's not changing the over-whelming public opinion that the United States needs to enforce its' own laws, and deport immigrants that are living here illegaly. Our immigration laws are already far more liberal than those of other first world countries. Please read the Mexican constitution if you want to see some real racism.
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Texian 08/27/2010 8:09:00 PM
Quote: BacktoMexico 08/26/2010 1:58:40 PM: ,,,"I will not hesitate to stay here illegally," she says. "I would rather do that than ever go to Mexico again, even if it means illegal re-entry." And this is the second reason. Because you simply do not respect our laws because Mexico has none. It is a concept, the rule of law, that you simply do not grasp.
DITTO
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SOPHMORIC WRITERS 08/27/2010 7:00:00 PM
TITLE STATES IT ALL
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STUPID MARIE 08/27/2010 6:42:00 PM
I mean "gringo punta" Go see how receptive they will be towards you.
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STUPID, STUPID MARIE 08/27/2010 6:38:00 PM
The first time those Mexican woman see you, they will call you a gringo hoe and trying to take their man. Blueicap, I agree with you.
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Marie stupid naive white bitch 08/27/2010 5:40:00 PM
Marie, shut up you naive white libtard. Go live in a Mexican neighborhood and then try walking around as a white woman and see how long you last. Enjoy the blasting oompah music, domestic violence fight screaming, dirty diapers everywhere, drunken celebratory gunfire, macho mexican dipshits in their huge trucks, and gang killings, you stupid naive white bitch.
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Marie 08/27/2010 5:12:00 PM
I am a white American who reads many of your prejudicial, insecure comments in disgust. I guess that you don't realize that your unbending misconceptions of the immigration system, and of a majority of the Mexican people, are the problem!
Latino are denied, but should have, the right to legally obtain asylum and/or citizenship in the U.S., just as all other immigrants have been allowed to do throughout U.S. history.
Those Mexicans who are already in the country have not been screened to weed out the criminals because YOU will give none of them the basic human rights afforded to your ancestors.
If there were a legal road to citizenship afforded to the hard working Mexicans, many do the jobs that you will not, order would be restored. And they would no longer be exploited on both sides of the border by criminals.
The Mexicans are caught in the middle, not you!
The immigration laws for Latinos is broken and has been for decades. Reagan simply granted immunity and a road to citizenship for those already in the U.S. but did not fix the law. It has not been fixed since then either, because of the prejudges of people like you. All you are doing is spewing hate. Have you lost all compassion?
The Latinos will remain. Let us all work together to allow the honest Latino people to follow the American dream and we can then weed out the criminals through newly implemented Legal channels.
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Dallasite 08/27/2010 2:58:00 PM
So sad Sarah, but Blueicap is right. We're just so very TIRED of it all. Maybe if so many of your countrymen weren't sneaking over our borders, getting forged documents and receiving services they aren't entitled to... but they are, and they are not refugees, or "undocumented workers". They are ILLEGAL ALIENS, and we don't want them here.
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ron 08/27/2010 1:53:00 PM
colinnwn, it is not that we're not compassionate to the problems of Sarah and others but does that mean that we should just tear down the border barriers and let everyone in or that we should joyfully welcome the millions of illegals that are in our country? there is another story on this site that explains why we need to be tough but compassionate on this subject: a woman raising her 2 kids is forced by her husband into sharing her small apartment with dozens of illegals her husband has smuggled in and when she tells him no more he calmly pulls out a gun and shots her in front of her kids and then runs off to mexico with his girlfriend. these are the kind of people that are using our weakness against us. why should we be punished because the mexican people can not and will not stand up and crush the cartels that have taken over their country.
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Robert 08/27/2010 2:16:00 AM
Can you put me in touch with Mr.Beckett, Atty: El Paso, Texas please?
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hobnob 08/27/2010 1:44:00 AM
Actually, I think the US should use the 1.6 Billion to hire the chinese military to go on a killing rampage and kill all these cartel workers and drug lords.
then problem solved, if you show that anybody who works for the cartels will be hunted and killed (well, do some reconnisance and make sure they are part of cartels or drug lords).
Do unto them what they do unto Mexico. Seems to me that the corruption is epic in Mexico, if you know some policeman is already corrupt, they should be publically executed after their trail.
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I hope Chris Vogel and Patrick 08/27/2010 1:24:00 AM
I hope that Chris Vogel and Patrick Michels get robbed and killed by illegal mexican invaders.
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jOEY 08/27/2010 12:44:00 AM
haha eff you Sarah, maybe if we didnt have 20 million of your compadres already here we could help ya out but I think we full up on messycants! Wow, you must make poppa proud, he goes thru all that and all you do is run to the american power teet, the rest of the suffering mexicants thank you for your support.Messyco, worst nation in the world..i LOVE how you idiots wave that craphole flag but dont have the cojones to actually LIVE THERE and make it better...Cowards
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Crisp 08/27/2010 12:36:00 AM
why would they? The waltz right over, break any law they choose (MULITIPLE TIMES!) and demand whatever they want with zero reprocussions? WE HAVENT given them any reason to do it the right way!!! They only know the wrong way, plus its waaaaaaaaaaay EASY with the liberal pc douchebag crowd crowing racism everytime we try to enforce the damn law..
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BacktoMexico 08/26/2010 10:58:00 PM
Sarah says she will "fight and work for her safety and tranquility," for as long as it takes...
Sarah, how about getting a head start on that in your country of Mexico? Americans have a safe and tranquil place to live because we have fought for it and police it. What makes you think you deserve such things that you have never worked toward or for? You are not the kind of person we want in our country. Sorry.
"I will not hesitate to stay here illegally," she says. "I would rather do that than ever go to Mexico again, even if it means illegal re-entry.
And this is the second reason. Because you simply do not respect our laws because Mexico has none. It is a concept, the rule of law, that you simply do not grasp. So, keep your "rule of men" and get back across the border with the rest of your cowardly citizens and learn to live on your knees.
Because you are too much of a coward to ever die standing.
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SB1070 08/26/2010 10:46:00 PM
What did the Guatemalan government tell her when she applied for asylum there?
Oh, that's right. She didn't apply there.
The United States cannot continue to accept more Mexicans simply because they have allowed their country to become a cesspool and unlivable. It's time to drain the swamp, people. Do what you have to do to stop your country from being such a hellhole.
The bad guys got what they wanted. Her father is dead. She and her brother or remaining family are safe - as long as they mind their own business and get back to living life. That is the message the bad guys intended to convey. So, in reality, sarah has two choices. STFU, get over it and live her life the best she can, or work to throw of the shackles of kleptocracy and the narco-cartels. The USA owese her no more than Guatemala - or any other country does.
What Sarah owes HER country is allegiance to liberty and freedom and a will to fight for it. If she is too much of a coward to fight for freedom and liberty in her own country - what makes you think she would ever fight for it here?
THAT is the primary reason most Americans oppose illegal immigration from Mexico. Because most of the illegals that come here simply do not possess the juevos to fight for what really matters to humans.
I'm certain the numbers of Mexicans claiming they are survivors of some do-gooder in Mexico would skyrocket if we made it easy for them. Glad to see our government is doing the correct job.
When will the Mexican government do what should be done to make the country more than the garbage heap it has become?
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Sod off back to the Mexican sh 08/26/2010 6:55:00 PM
Good. Sod the fuck off back to that shit-hole, Mexico, with your shitty, tacky, bad-taste, savage, violent, superstitious primitive "culture". Why does Mexico suck so much? Why is it such a shit-hole? ANSWER: BECAUSE IT IS FULL OF MEXICANS.
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Jo531 08/26/2010 6:28:00 PM
My heart goes out to "Sarah," BUT this kind of thing happens in many, many countries. They just don't happen to border the US. When Sarah comes to the US, she brings the violence with her. We have problems like that here too. Mexican violent problems. Sex slaves. If they know where she is, why is she alive? Why is her mother and brother alive? We cannot clean up Mexico. In fact, we are so broke that we may end up Chinese.
Think of it this way. If you are a mother, you have to take care of yourself so that you can take care of your family. We have to take care of the US before we can take care of the world. Mexico is a huge problem. So is Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, Palestine, Pakistan, Central America, on and on and on. Right now, we need to take care of our violence, our crimes, our drugs, our drop outs, poverty, homelessness, jobs, foreclosures, etc. They are all tied together. They are about us; yes, but our wars and indebtedness and corruption that has stolen our money leaves us vulnerable. We need to fix ourselves so that our children have a USA to live in.
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Bob 08/26/2010 5:56:00 PM
Let me edit the title of the article:
"Unlike Mexicans/Hispanics ILLEGALS, only a small number of other ILLEGAL immigrants are from other countries, not in MILLION and MILLION of them invading the USA.
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Brittnay 08/26/2010 3:41:00 PM
It's not actually a matter of not doing drugs, that's the least of the problems, it's the matter of acknowledging and fixing a corrupt system. Everyone, no matter where they come from deserves a chance to live a life free of violence and fear. We become just as bad as those corrupt policemen when we ignore the problems or send these people back to their deaths. That is inhumane and irresponsible of us.
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Firebrand 08/26/2010 2:08:00 PM
The war on drugs is something that affects many people in many places. Often times we fail to realize or take to heart the importance of things like sobriety or abstinence. The real key to being a part of the solution in a tragedy like this here across the border is to not use drugs. That's old news, but until we get to a point to where the gains we make in overcoming drug abuse and addiction are greater than what they are, the problem will continue to be what it is. We're fighting the wrong enemy on the battle field, in my opinion. There is a great need to put the powers that be in check south of the border where the entire drug manufacturing and distribution world are concerned. Until we are willing to go to any length to do down there what we are attempting to do in Afganistan then not much is going to change.
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colinnwn 08/26/2010 6:10:00 AM
No, NO Blueicap, you don't speak for all US citizens.
Some of the compassionate ones of us left, do appreciate hearing these horrific stories of Mexican citizens that do everything right morally and legally to better their country, yet are ignored and finally rejected by the racist polices of our government when they run out of options and try to legally come here.
We are a morally bankrupt society and deserve all the scorn that the international community heaps on us.
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Blueicap 08/26/2010 2:02:00 AM
We are just so very TIRED of hearing problems of folks in Mexico trying to get into the country. I am sorry that good people are treated so very badly in Mexico. We just can't save them all.