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Andy444 02/13/2011 10:14:00 PM
Sorry, that's simply not true. Memphis, Charleston, Atlanta, Miami (southern in geography if not culturally), and Houston are all Southern cities that have embraced local ingredients and have very strong culinary traditions.
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Andy444 02/13/2011 10:09:00 PM
Two points. Not to speak for Chef Caswell, but the quote is not that he hasn't met any Dallas chefs or doesn't know of any Dallas chefs but that he doesn't know them. In interviews with several Houston chefs you will frequently hear them talk about other chefs in town with a mostly collegial affection. Those are chefs they know.
Secondly Ms. Raskin notes the that when you mention certain cities, certain dishes or styles immediately come to mind. That's the case with Fort Worth. I hear Fort Worth and I immediately think of steaks served "cowboy style" and that's thanks in large part to Chef Love...who's based in FORT WORTH, not Dallas.
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Patrick825 02/13/2011 5:38:00 AM
"I personally think we here in Dallas have a vibrant and growing culinary scene. And so does Charlie Palmer, Wolfgang Puck, Tom Colicchio, and Nobu; as well as many other talented chefs or they wouldn't be here."
You make her point very well. Many of best restaurants in the city of Dallas are run by people from out of town and they are successful because the customers seek out a cuisine that is not their own.
Moreover, when you write "sometimes when you disrespect others, you disrespect YOURSELF" and sandwich it in between calling the write a "fool" and "you might as well start filling up the back of your pickup and head back to the backwater, coal mining little town you hail from..." it seems to have failed to grasp the axiom that you have cited.
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01/06/2011 2:46:00 PM
Retta, I have a similar issue to you when I come up to visit family. I grew up in DFW, but left for college in Austin and stayed in the 12 years since moving down and it has spoiled me, especially with the food truck boom in recent years. Every time I return to the Metroplex to see old high school friends or my family in the suburbs, the only recommendations I get from them are the abundant national chains I tend to avoid or the same expensive places mentioned in magazines. I'm just happy I stumbled upon BuzzBrews for a good midnight (or later) cuppa and tasty breakfast fare. There need to be higher profiles for local restaurants that are still (relatively) affordable and do their own unique take on things, especially for those who are new to town or old yet adventurous or those just looking for a great place to frequent when visiting.
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Chef Ngoc 12/20/2010 9:53:00 AM
Hanna, thank you so much for really listening to what we, as chefs, have to speak out about the industry here in Dallas. As culiniarians, we will never give up pushing the Dallas cuisine fast and forward. As long as the diners are willing to open their minds and open their palates, we will be there to serve them the best and healthiest experience possible.
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Ken 12/15/2010 10:06:00 PM
At FreeLisa who wishes "Dallas would step up. I wish we would would require commercial high rise buildings to include ground floor groceries, dry cleaners, restaurants and set aside 3-5 floors for apartments to get 10's of thousands of PEOPLE living downtown. "That's the real reason why Dallas isn't New York or San Francisco or Atlanta". What makes you think everyone WANTS to live downtown!?
I have lived in Atlanta TWICE. I visit NYC for business annually. I'd much rather be HERE than ATL. Downtown living in ATL is NO better than here. Traffic is worse. Civility is worse.
NYC is OVERRATED! Sky high cost of living. No personal space. Too much concrete. Have to live in High Rises due to lack of space. I'll take my nice greenery. Ask Cliff Lee who just turned down the Yankees. LOL. For years, Mayor Bloomberg has been trying to get Jay Leno to move the Tonight Show back to NYC with no success.
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laruejd 12/15/2010 7:18:00 PM
This could be any city in the south except maybe New Orleans and San Antonio. Why pick on Poor old Dallas, they are getting picked on quite a bit lately. The city they love to kick!
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Cliff Hilbert 12/15/2010 1:56:00 AM
I'm originally from New Orleans, but the best fish dish I've ever eaten is Red Snapper Mojo De Ajo at Javier's Restaurant in Highland Park. I have never eaten there that I would consider less than 5 stars. It is a restaurant par excellence.
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gerry 12/14/2010 3:38:00 AM
All I know is that, after living in the SF Bay for a year, I could not wait to come back to Dallas for a good meal in a number of places that the person who wrote this article will never go to. It seems outsiders are obsessed with preaching about how the "high-end corporate" fake people run this city. A more interesting article would be about how that stereotype does not reflect the majority of people, or food, in the Metroplex.
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tradervic 12/13/2010 11:34:00 PM
Yes, tradergirl, we all deeply worry about you!
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tradergirl 12/13/2010 12:06:00 PM
Do you people have nothing better to worry about? Who cares!!!!!!!!!
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Wrecka Stow 12/13/2010 8:41:00 AM
Stephan is from West Texas. Could/should his cuisine define Dallas? Dean is from Kentucky, Robert is from California, and Anne is from Chicago. They became enamored with the cuisine for which they soon championed. But it wasn't their grandma's cooking. I don't know where Mark Miller was born, but it wasn't Santa Fe. This whole Southwestern movement rallied around some transplants that got excited about something new to them, and now even many of them have gone on to explore and plate other cuisines. Compare it to art and music. We want inspired cuisine. Allow them to follow their muses. And let their disciples find their own. I'm not from here and can't put my finger on what Dallas cuisine is either, but I defy you to satisfyingly distinguish the "first tier" cities' cuisines from one another. In fact, you are more likely to find something regionally-specific on our top menus than you would find anything so-Chicago or undeniably-New York on their top menus. Our swagger may have staggered a bit, but there are good things happening. And you've got to believe there's always something growing beneath the surface. Maybe it'll even be homegrown.
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Bumpkin 12/12/2010 7:19:00 PM
I couldn't agree more. There are still a few bonafide soul food places in the area who have chosen to keep their menus from being corrupted by this corporate nonsense, but those places are few and far between. I hope tourists don't come to Dallas for the food. If I see one around here at The Keg, I'll just tell them to drive southeast about 8 hours to New Orleans.
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Bill/Phil 12/11/2010 11:00:00 PM
The fact that Mr. Caswell has never met Fearing, Pyles, Hague, or Samuel, or for that matter, Kent Rathbun, Tim Love, Teiichi Sakurai, Marc Cassel, Anthony Bombacci, William Koval, Abraham Salum, or David Uygar, (not to mention up and comers like Scott Gottlich, Nick Badovinas, Joel Harloff, or Tim Byres) really says more about him than it does about the Dallas food scene. Also, Hanna, your failure to mention most of these folks and many other extremely talented local chefs (many of whom pride themselves on using local ingredients) says alot about your lack of knowledge about Dallas dining. This is a great city for foodies. I bite my thumb at you and everyone else who disagrees.
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chef matt 12/11/2010 7:10:00 PM
"If Dallas is to reclaim its former edible glory, it needs more chefs like Pyles, who have a deep connection to the region and the flavors that once exemplified it."
I am confused with this statement, so if all the local chefs cooked regional cuisine I don't think eating out would be so exciting. To me it requires all the chefs to develop and express there style and take on food... Food is art and we all have our own expression.
Hanna you touched on Sean Brock and his totally southern restaurant Husk... It is a great concept but don't forget about where he won his James Beard award.. McGradys a molecular/farm to table restaurant.
The top restaurants in NYC aren't regional... they are expressive of the chefs running there place.... Mario Batali doesn't do regional cuisine...neither does Jean George, Thomas Keller, George Mendes, Eric Ripert......etc. the list goes on. They are supported because there food is expressive, executed well, service is great, and atmosphere is attractive.
This dining scene is great and will continue to be even greater just give it a bit to develop... and keep eating out.
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RettaHD 12/11/2010 4:59:00 PM
Dear Observer & Fans (maybe not so much?), about this issue of local eats...Much to your dismay, I am a Yankee interloper as well. However, when relocating to DFW for my husbands job, I went on a reading quest to find said local eateries. I enjoy trying new flavors and decided "when in Rome (or Dallas/Fort Worth as it were)", do as the locals do! It seems many of the local magazines can only speak of all the fancy places with the aforementioned 45 dollar entrees. What does a Yankee have to do or where to look for some down home traditional Texas cooking??? Especially when ya don't know anyone to ask! Please...why can't one of these local fancy magazines do an article on that???
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Randall Walter 12/11/2010 4:50:00 PM
Rex, you live in Dallas like I live in Harare, Zimbabwe. If you lived in Dallas you might know that Bishop Arts in Oak Cliff alone has "dozens of small interesting reasonably priced local eateries that are driven by folks interested in food and not fame". And if you actually had gone to Star Canyon you would know that the one thing it wasn't was over-priced. It was known for its value. Yes, The Mansion was, and still is, expensive. I don't blame Pyles for responding to an arrogant Houston chef's comments that his city (Dallas) ranked 4th on the culinary scale of major Texas Cities. Yet you chastise Pyles and Fearing for having out-sized egos. Interesting.
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Rex 12/11/2010 8:59:00 AM
and beg to differ ... but houston is way more interesting food wise than dallas. and I live in dallas.
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Rex 12/11/2010 8:54:00 AM
Dallas is a city obsessed with status, image and brand. Take Stephen Pyles comments above. Not a statement about food or cuisine or a comment about about anyone else that's doing food right in Dallas but a ranking of cities ... a mindless exercise that has absolutely no relevance to food. But really it kind of explains why Dallas is a second rate food city. Star Canyon was a see and be seen place that was obnoxiously over priced and not really that interesting food-wise. The Manson was just over-priced. Great food cities have tens of dozens of small interesting reasonably priced local eateries that are driven by folks interested in food and not fame - not by outsized egos trying to make a legacy. Pyles and Fearing are as much an explanation for the state of affairs in the restaurant scene in Dallas as the economy or lack of a vibrant local growing network. They set things back trying to stake a claim to something that needn't have been claimed. They wanted to be celebrities. And that's not about food.
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epiquester 12/11/2010 4:04:00 AM
So let me make sure I understand this... You (The Observer) hire some unheard of person from Ashville, North Carolina to come to Dallas (now the 4th largest metro area in the nation) and give her opinions about what she thinks of our epicurean scene? To me, that's like hiring Mr. T to give commentary on the Spring Fashion line during Fashion Week in New York. I have lived here in Dallas practically all my life, but I have also worked and traveled the world working for Delta Airlines for the past 23 years. Is Dallas where it needs to be considering the melting pot we are becoming? NO. But a "culinary wasteland" as your new restaurant reviewer that held her last job six months ago working at the Mountain X-Press(yes, Hanna.. I did some research and know the real "culinary wasteland" where you hail from); describes our city? Hardly. You, dear girl are a fool. Plain and simple. I don't know that Alice Waters would come to a city the size and complexity of Dallas and make such an arrogant and stupid statement. As someone once told me, sometimes when you disrespect others, you disrespect YOURSELF. As far as I'm concerned you might as well start filling up the back of your pickup and head back to the backwater, coal mining little town you hail from because your credibility is now shot and as for you (Observer), I stopped reading you back before Laura Miller left and now I know why. We have suburbs here larger and more diverse than Ashville, NC. Surely you guys at the Observer can stretch your budget and get a better candidate to "observe" our culinary scene. And as a current culinary student at the Art Institute of Dallas and someone that has traveled all over the world I can truly say you my dear girl are either someone that wouldn't know a truffle from a taco or just someone that doesn't get out often. I personally think we here in Dallas have a vibrant and growing culinary scene. And so does Charlie Palmer, Wolfgang Puck, Tom Colicchio, and Nobu; as well as many other talented chefs or they wouldn't be here. Ashville??? Seriously???? Mountain X-Press???? WTF????
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Elmore 12/11/2010 1:14:00 AM
Stephen Pyles is a talented chef. However, he sold out to Carlson Restaurants Worldwide/e-Brands in the late 90's and the momentum he was building with Star Canyon went down the corporate black-hole. He sold out... and the accompanying non-compete he signed with Carlson effectively squashed any hopes Dallas had to establish itself as an AUTHENTIC culinary center. You are right to characterize Dallas as "nowhere".
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Sam Smith 12/10/2010 5:39:00 PM
As a 5th generation Dallasite I get tired of transient northerners coming to my town and announcing that in so many words, it sucks. What is Dallas food? Is it one thing? When you were growing up here Hanna, what did your grandmother make you for dinner? Oh wait you didn't grow up here, so how in the hell would you know? This is why Dallas isn't a culinary destination. Dallas is a city that over the last 50 years has grown in population by outsiders moving in. Dallas is a town made up of people from all of the United States and the world for that matter. Dallas is a relatively young city and can't be compared to New York, Chicago or San Francisco and to do so is stupid. There are many great restaurants here in Dallas. But, the generic is what makes Dallas. People move here and settle for a while before they move to the next place (kind of like you Hanna), and they want the same thing that they ate in Denver, that they ate in Phoenix, etc. So, what Dallas actually is, is a city made up of people that aren't from here. When I tell people that I'm from Dallas, they barely believe me. The great restaurants here are few and hard to find, but the reason that is I think is because Dallas is full of people who are perfectly happy to eat at The Olive Garden and don't care to spend the time, energy, and especially the money to seek out the best that this city has to offer. That's a shame.
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VJ 12/10/2010 2:57:00 PM
Huh? Good thing I don't have any friends that are chefs or restuarant critics...when my friends and family from other parts of the country visit me in Dallas, they love the restaurants here. Go figure.
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freelisa_2000 12/10/2010 2:48:00 PM
I wish Dalls would step up. I wish we would would require commercial high rise buildings to include ground floor groceries, dry cleaners, restaurants and set aside 3-5 floors for apartments to get 10's of thousands of PEOPLE living downtown. "That's the real reason why Dallas isn't New York or San Francisco or Atlanta. Doesn't matter how great your restaurant is, if it's 'for Dallas' there has to be a lot of people in the area to go to it. Not drive to it from Frisco. On another note, I know a woman who suppies fresh organic hydroponic vegetable to 'the top restaurants' in town, so local fresh vegies aren't really a problem. Last, could we drop a Texas Star on New Year's Eve and become the Central Time Zone's New Year's Party Capital with a total Country Music Theme that screams to the world 'Texas'? And lastly, the grass fed meat/poultry industry so close in N. Texas (Rehobeth Farms is one)should be paramount in our 'local' food. If 'animals on the range' doesn't make you think of Texas, and 'Southwestern Cuisine' I don't know what would.
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Stephan Pyles 12/10/2010 5:35:00 AM
I want to make it clear that when I say Dallas is a second tier city, I am referring to the national stage. We cannot compete with cities such as New York, Chicago or San Francisco. I find it interesting that Bryan Caswell says on the one hand "you guys are almost playing fourth fiddle" then "protests he barely knows Dallas". Let me just say that I know Dallas, Houston, Austin and San Antonio quite well and we are not fourth fiddle, we are first. Houston is second, Austin is third and San Antonio is fourth.
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matt 12/10/2010 2:05:00 AM
Agree to disagree. I see a lot of synergies these days that I didnt see in the past ten years. Maybe Im just looking in the right spots ;)
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Rachel 12/09/2010 10:16:00 PM
It seems as if you want Dallas to be something other than, well, Dallas. Dallas survives, in good times and in bad, because of its willingness to adapt to the times. Does that make it sort of vanilla on occasion? Yes, but if you want great food in this town, you don't have to look very far. Southwestern cuisine never defined this town, despite all of Fearing's and Pyles' good intentions, because Dallas has never considered itself a southwestern city.
And, doesn't Matt McCallister spell his last name with 2 Cs? If you are going to quote somebody, it's only respectful to spell their name correctly.
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chevytexas 12/09/2010 9:38:00 PM
What a bunch of overwritten claptrap; it reminds me of similar outsider "post-painterly abstractionism" critiques popular in regional art criticism in the 70s: made up.
There are plenty of fairly-priced, accessible dishe in North Texas, which just happens to include Dallas. Maybe you should, um, buy a car and get out more. As to all the sniffing about Ft. Worth --again by outsiders-- perhaps you should ask someone from there before you go there: downtown Ft. Worth is about as Ft. Worth as Cafe Annie is Houston. All the kerfuffle over "from here" ingredients is very nice if you want Paula Deen to cook for you (I can tell many of you do) but it's hype any way you slice it, not originality. We have puhlenty of decades-old flavors here including chipotles even if we didn't know we were eating them in the converted gas stations forty years ago; an amalgam of Central American dishes which, yes, are just as Dallas as Italian St. Louis(snort!). I think it could be that a slightly larger city depends less on its central reputation for special foods; that's when you're at the mercy of restauranteurs and food critics. Like now. You'll have to just go seek for yourself.
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Buck 12/09/2010 8:58:00 PM
Wait a minute -- wasn't Channel 5 the first station?
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The Big Guy 12/09/2010 8:29:00 PM
Thank you for telling the truth, HR. It's not that there is no one in Dallas who can cook, or find local ingredients, it's that there is no one here to cook for!
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Buck 12/09/2010 7:46:00 PM
Why not blame it all on Julie Benell?
Seriously, Dallas' problem is that it's too busy trying to be New York to just relax and be itself. Thank goodness Fearing and Pyles came along, and the sooner the next generation gets their head into the Texas hot peppers, the better.
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Daniel 12/09/2010 7:25:00 PM
Well, Hanna, now you know the dirty little secret underneath all the striving aspirations and relentlessly upbeat self-promotion: Dallas is, at bottom, a self-loathing city. The reason there's no there there is because it (the there) has been painstakingly scrubbed away by people who are ashamed of it.
It might be facile to observe that the mania for razing historical buildings followed hot on the heels of the Kennedy assassination -- the '60s and '70s saw great architectural losses in most American cities -- but I think it's fair to say that the assassination gave rise to one of the most collectively insecure cities in America. We must be as world-class as Boston: We eat mussels flown in from New England!
It's ironic that our alacritous quest for cosmopolitanness has consigned us to a provincial profile in the nation's eye.
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Lee 12/09/2010 7:16:00 PM
Didn't Bill Addison write this article when he came to town, or was it Leslie Brenner? Considering how you jumped on the latter for the lack of credit to a blog in her barbecue list, haven't you done the same? This is a silly article regurgitating the same story: why can't we have the excitement and signature theme of the southwestern 80's back?! Every new food writer that comes to town is compelled to write this article. Fine. We get it.
Now, let's go eat. Some of us aren't spoon fed ideas of what dining should be. We go out and find what we like. We challenge ourselves. And we enjoy eating, whether its Alinea and Per Se or Hatties or Samar or Izmir or Nova or Lucia or El Si Hay.
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Kay 12/09/2010 6:38:00 PM
All those small, locally sourced mom and pop joints those of us who can't afford fortyfive dollar entrees have been eating at for years in North Texas getting Tex-Mex, BBQ and home cooking should read this article so they know they're not authentic enough for carpetbagging Raskin and a couple of washed-up has-been chefs whose day in the kitchen has long come and gone.
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BOWMAN 12/09/2010 5:58:00 PM
Great article concernng the non-North Texas based eateries here in Dallas. I certainly enjoyed the segments about the first TV style cooking show though. That gal sounds exactly like the North Texas People from my past. However I might mention a couple local favs. 1. local iconic place in the Plano area, Poor Richards. This guy has been serving up your basic Texas fare breakfast and lunch for decades. There is almost always a line out the door waiting for their hospitality and great service. 2. Love and War in Texas is another Texas "themed" eatery. These guys are great! The menu claims to be recipies collected by a cattlman along a long and arduous trail drive. It is kind of hyped with the "western" motif but if one wants to expose themselves to some local music talent, great food and a relaxed Texas atmosphere, Y'all might want to consider trying Love and War in Texas.
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Wash 12/09/2010 4:21:00 PM
Q: "In other states, the nonprofit communities and academic communities have come together to create infrastructure," Flynn says. :End Q
And this is why the local food movement will never be big in Dallas. Until there's big money to be made and a big scene to be seen, it'll go nowhere in this town. Bolsa tries, though, bless their little heart.
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Josh 12/09/2010 3:29:00 PM
I couldn't agree more. I am from St. Louis which has a deep italian influence when it comes to cuisine. The food in Dallas is somewhat bland and there isn't that one particular dish that stands out as original to this area. I will say that the Tex-Mex is far and above what I'm used to. Primo's is one of my favorite restaurants in Dallas by far. In Ft. Worth Reata is about as "Texas Authentic" as it gets.
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Irene Mylan 12/09/2010 3:12:00 PM
Clever article. Tim Byres at Smoke on Worth Avenue is an exception. He traveled all over Texas looking for ideas for indigenous dishes before opening his extraordinary restaurant. Think Smoked pork jowls with pickles.
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Johnny Key 12/09/2010 1:35:00 PM
Great article. Sad but true. I've eaten in the East, West, North and South and looked forward to the local specialties along the way. Now you can hardly tell what town you're by looking at the menu. As for Dallas, throw out the mussels and clams and throw in the chicken fried steak, brisket and ribs, tamales, chili powder, garlic, fresh onions and bacon drippings. Don't forget the gravy and homemade biscuits, skillet cooked cornbread along with the greens and butter beans.
Where's the heck chile bowl? Frank X. Tolbert wrote a wonderfully researched book ("A bowl of Red") dedicated solely to the hearty dish that you could spice up as much or little as you pleased. The more fresh garlic, fresh onion, cumin and chile powder the as far as I'm concerned. Any true Texan would shoot you if you tried to poison a bowl of chilet by putting beans in it. Dallas was full of "chile parlors" for many years. Now if you want a bowl of chile you either cook it yourself or get it off of the shelf. Some of the pre-packaged seasoning mixes are not bad. I prefer seasoning by memory and taste and consider myself a master of the craft of cooking of a batch of "Red." The more beer you drink while you're tending to it the better it gets. Of course a bottle or two of Lone Star is a required ingredient!
For starters Mother's and Daughters is a good place to begin your journey of the few Dallas delicacies left. I don't know where Husk is located, but I will before today's end.
Thanks again for a great article.
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Locavore 12/09/2010 5:39:00 AM
To be sure, there is a disconnect between Dallas "local" cuisine and what its fancier restaurants serve. But there is very much a local cuisine of (1) Tex-Mex and Northern Mexican food (drive down Jefferson Boulevard and end at the Fiesta), and (2) Texas-style barbecue, which a "Slate" reviewer recently called the best in the country. You will not find mussels in either sort of establishment.
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Bill in Houston 12/08/2010 11:43:00 PM
Thank God I live in Houston! I'll admit that when I go to Dallas I usually eat around Fort Worth. Sorry. Also, never understood mussels on Dallas menus.
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Jeremy 12/08/2010 10:33:00 PM
Thank you for writing this. Hannah, you have seemed distracted in the past several reviews, and it seems we have found out why. When a dining community loses its originality and plays up aspects which appeal to trends without sacrificing comfort, it can hardly be called a scene. How many an original idea was buried under the weight of tacos, chicken fried steaks, chicken and waffles, and mussel bowls?
Even what was glossed over in this article, the artisanally crafted food movement, which I'm afraid is going to be lost in the high-end corporate culinary doldrums of North Texas.
When do those whom passionately create, for the people, their dream Hot Dog, like Frank in Austin, or worship the pig, like Fette Sau in Brooklyn, find a home here? Is there even a place for them? Maybe it will take a drought. Or a flood.