Why Do Mexicans Look Down on Chicanos?

Dear Mexican: I was born in los estados unidos, my father is Tamaulipas and my mother is a third-generation Chicana. Being married to a mexicano, we recently vacationed in his hometown of Apatzingan, Michoacán. It was my first time meeting my in-laws and everyone from his colonia. It seems I got the evil stare-down and was being asked all kinds of questions to prove my mexicanana-ness. They couldn't wait for me to fuck up a word in Spanish and asked if I cooked, liked banda music and knew how to make tortillas. I answered that I work full time, make an OK mole de pollo, like all kinds of music except for banda and that I buy my tortillas from the supermarket.

I got the impression it wasn't enough. After expressing this to my husband, all he could say was that I am not a Mexican, I am a Chicana, and that's different. Will I never be seen as an equal by my Mexican in-laws, or will they eventually see that the only difference between us is my mom gave birth to me north of the frontera? I can handle discrimination from gabachos or any other race but this is really unjust. Why do men and women from Mexico seem to consider themselves superior to Chicanos?

—Puzzled Chicana

Dear Pocha: Next time some wab gives you grief about not being Mexican enough, just tell them you have the best of both worlds: You're Mexican AND American — while they're just ... Mexicans.

I hear a lot of accordion-heavy music on Spanish-language radio. Do Mexican women go crazy for accordionists like white girls do for guitarists? Can my musical skills translate into muchos mujeres?

—A 40 and an Accordion

Dear Gabacho: Time was when the accordion player was the papi chulo of the Mexican regional music world, but tuba players have usurped the position in the past couple of years for banda music and that horrible-sounding banda-conjunto norteño pendejada. Unfortunately, the instrument's elevated status has led to a rash of tuba thefts from high schools and junior highs by aspiring tuba players who usually target Mexican-heavy schools and therefore screw over youngsters whose band departments can't afford tubas. Moral of the story? As the question before, sometimes, the worst enemy of Mexicans are ... Mexicans.

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Yeah
Yeah

1.) They look down on you cuz your an American not because your a ''Chicana''


2.) I'm an American living in Mexico.

 3.) Mexican is not a race, believe me if a person is born in the U.S and comes to Mexico and say's he or she is a Mexican prepare yourself cuz everyone A.K.A real Mexicans or Americans that have been here sometime and got it thru there heads that Mexican is not a race, are going to laugh or make fun of you one way or another.

 4.) Gringo or Gringa, yup your considered a Gringo or Gringa no mater if your Hispanic , Asian , Black,etc.., if you were born in the U.S you are a Gringo or Gringo. Gringo just means a person born in the U.S, people often think that this means a white person when it does not.


 5.) Stop saying Mexican is a race cuz its not. 

 6.) I love Mexico and its people I grew up here there is no other place I rather call home :D

unkindcastro
unkindcastro

Look at yourself your Mexican Americans Chicano was given to us by the white man so sad and for all the stupid chicanos that thay are all Americans and put down the Mexicans your all stupid im proud to be a Mexican American born and raised here and served in the U.S.military 4 years and yes im a us citizen but im proud to be Mexican .

emhot21
emhot21

most chicanos have an aggressive attitude and talking about the looks most of them are ghetto even if they have beautiful features. Mexicans have values, are respectful no matter what their social status 

chicanoprider
chicanoprider

Fuck u putos chicanos dont give a shit about what u think ,you talk shit because your some pussy ass jealous fucks you act are fucking scared out on the street when you meet chicanos intimidated by us we were born here and we are mexican blood and we go by chicano because we ant afraid of shit unlike u punks if u dont like chicanos which mexicans in the us go back to mexico and be mexican in mexico

Sosa.melissa
Sosa.melissa

I am Mexican and have lived in America since 2001. I have met few CHICANOS in AZ and after getting to know them they are nothing compared to Mexican. Us Mexicans have very strong family values, are very proud to be Mexicans. Why? Because we know exactly where we come from. Some ignorant Americans think that in Mexico you are just a bunch of dirty Indians and don't even own a cellphone. Basically they think we all are ghetto and live in the trash. I recommend you guys to visit places in Mexico where is not a Turist place. You will understand how amazing and nice is our culture. There is people with a lot of money, some are blonde and have blue eyes but most of the people are brunette. The Indians or "most Mexican looking ones" are actually the nicest people in Mexico. They believe in Jesus and go to church everyday. They help the neighbor and are just a nice soul. The rich ones who are mostly the light skin are very superficial but actually have better family values then any American.

Now Chicanos are NOT MEXICANS, they have the Mecican-American culture. It's like they have their own identity, they aren't fully Americanized or mexicanized. I have nothing in common with them and actually I get along way better with Caucasians here in the US. Sorry but they kind of act like cholos (not all of them but almost everyone). They don't really like Mexicans because they think that they all look like Indian and work I'm construction but reality is that Mexicans who have money have no need to come to the US. So the ones who come here, look poor and work hard. Those Chicanos need to go to México and see how amazing is for a lot of people who have no need to move to the US. Most of my family and friends travel more and are way more beautiful than any American.

I am not defending Mexicans but I've been here plenty of years to understand the difference between these three different cultures, Americans, Chicanos and Mexicans.

ijcamc10
ijcamc10

Chicanos are a hybrid of mexicans were bigger, stronger, faster, better looking just better all around mexicans are just peasents who been riding off the sucsess of all the chicanos that were born here and they have the nerve to look down on us so if your a mexican and your readi.g this

wassupconan
wassupconan

The problem lies in the fact that many mexican-americans dont know what the hell they are because american media has been telling them what they are for decades.  its like ure all brown u came illegaly across border and ure low lifes.  what they dont understand is that theyre racially just a mix of europeans and natives.  so most of them have as much white as they have native.  but they get lost in that oh we`re aztecs and mayans shit so much that they think all mexicans are like them by default. BTW just to clarify term Latino and Hispanic are both euro terms in respect,  one meaning of spanish origin and other is related to latin culture of southern europe so if u call ureselves that and then deny ure part european then why call ureself that in the first place. spanish language euro,  catholic faith euro,  spanish names euro,  so what is left for mexicans to be actually native,  except corn tortillas,  cuz even wheat tortillas came after europeans settled in mexico (natives didnt know about wheat).

Mgdallas1
Mgdallas1

Well, same goes for Chicanos looking down on Mexicans...works both ways. I guess it just depends on what side of the border your on. A mexican that has never been in the USA will not understand the lifestyle of a Chicano. A Chicano that's never been or lived in mexico will never truly know what it is to be a Mexican. I had the good fortune to live in both places. And I can definitely say I consider my self MEXICANA, even though I was born in Texas. Today's supposedly Mexican youth have the worst cultural confusion I've ever witnessed. They don't know if they're white, black, chicano or mexican. I would never call a fellow chicano nigga as many today do. Or call a fellow mexican beaner, mojo or mojado!! We are all somehow in someway of the same damn race. Mas respeto para nuestra cultura, on both sides of the border. BROWN AND PROUD!!

iblobar
iblobar

Yes S and I thought it was the other way around. I know lots of M/As think their s--t don't stink and I never could see why they laughed and snickered at fellow Mexicanos. But then I think that crap runs in every river,,,,

Benjamin
Benjamin

Plain stupidity- Mexican & Mexican Americans are the same people . Isnt it obvious that living outside of Mexico anywhere in the world will influence customs , habits & traditions duh!! What does it mean to be Mexican anyway? exactly you have to consider its history & how it created the so called Mexican- All a Mexican really is, is a race of Native Indians mixed with various invaders who basically killed the native language & introduced spanish & alot of other customs. Mexican in Mexico dont even know who they are themselves, they are still plagued with class & color system & 3rd world educations. Chicanos are just Mexicans who assimilate to the "American Dream" & further lost into delusion & deceit.

James Felber
James Felber

Not being a Mexican or a Chicanos I will provide an unbiased opinion - NOT, I think it obvious when she stated "I buy my tortillas from the supermarket." we all know wetbacks (humor) make their own homemade (even if not true). Now someone tell me what is the difference between a Hispanic and a Latino :-)

todivina
todivina

@emhot21  Respect and values are not learned from your country, but from the way you are raised. With all due respect, the way things are in MX right now... there's no respect at all for human life. There's nothing but violence. It's a shame that you generalize like this because I know a lot of Mexicans that live here in my country; in my city, that are NOT respectful, nor have values. That drive drunk without any concern for others... that hit their Mexican wives and abuse their children.


I'm proudly a Chicana and I don't dress chola and I'm definitely not ghetto, because I'm a grown woman and mother. Now there's a lot of little dumb wanna be cholillos, who are chicanos that are pretty stupid... However, people; grown people that embrace our Chicano culture, know that it's all about RESPECT and because we know about respect, that's exactly what we expect. YES, you can't mess with a Chicano and not expect a aggressive reaction. You can't hit your Chicana wife without her swinging right back. Mexicans come from a society where women and children are always beneath men. We were born in a country where til this day, we fight for equality. Every blood drop in my body is Mexican and with every drop of blood in my body I love my Mexican heritage... the beauty of the traditions, the warmth of our Mexican people. And in every drop of the Mexican blood in my body... is pride for being a Chicana.


Much love and respect. 



unkindcastro
unkindcastro

And this is why chicano give us a bad name stupid ass like you talking all this shit stupid American Chicano

rosevelvet89
rosevelvet89

@Sosa.melissa I partially agree and disagree with you.  I dont consider myself to be "Chicano" or Mexican.  I see myself proudly American of Mexican descent born and raised in California,san fran area to be exact, and I speak perfect spanish and perfect english. The only difference is most Americans see any physical mexican features of someone and think we are Mexican because the country is across the border.  If it were italy or brazil across the border if would be the same thing, they wouldnt know how to physically distinguish an italian from an american of italian descent or brazilian from an american brazilian.  So thats why we identify as Mexican-American.  And yes, I have been to mostly all of Mexico, guadalajara,jalisco,sinaloa,nayarit, guanajuato, michoacan, colima,mexico city,chiapas,oax,quintana roo,baja,etc. and yes its such a beautiful country with such beautiful people,indian,mestizo,white,etc.  However, I'm not loyal to country where the government is corrupt and only believes in benefitting themselves and the rich.  Or where mexicans segregate themselves from the rest because of social status and race.  Im not talking about the towns or lower class mexican people, I respect them. Im talking about the superficial fresa mexicans from the city that think they are "modern" and better because of heredity. Sure they might have better family values than most Americans but they lack moral values that most Americans have. I honestly think they need to all read pride & prejudice to get a glimpse of how they live and treat others.I do, however, embrace my Mexican culture and roots I was raised in, just like american of cuban descent embrace their cuban culture in miami. But I owe my loyalty to the country of opportunity, the country that helped my parents flourish and make a decent living, the same as any other immigrant from europe in the 19th century.  The U.S is a country made up of immigrants,hence, melting pot, and if you want to see what the u.s is really made go to NYC, so try not to be ignorant and think that all Americans are of european descent.  The point is if your born and raised in the u.s your american regardless of where your parents are from, born and raised in mexico your mexican so in reality there is no in between chicano is just a politcal term that was used in the 60s when racism and discrimination was very much alive and Mexican-Americans needed to self identity and organize themselves as a group toward caucasians,similar, to african-americans organizing as the black panthers. p.s. I dont understand if your so proud of your country then how come you've been living in my country for more than a decade???

emhot21
emhot21

@Mgdallas1  I'm Mexican light skin and i have family with different complexions and there is more than the brown and proud that sounds more of a chicano thing, while I agree with you about being in both sides to understand the cultural fusion at the end of the day you just need to have respect and tolerance towards everyone.  

UHavAnIdentityCrisis
UHavAnIdentityCrisis

Your culture?  LOL that's laughable.  There IS no culture.  If you were born and raised in a country, that means your nationality is from THAT country.  Chicanos are fake Mexicans who can't make up their mind.  They speak bad Spanish and what's WORSE is they speak bad ENGLISH.  I love Mexico but don't get me wrong, I can't stand Chicanos and their insufferable attitudes. They go to the USA and then pretend they're still Mexican, frowning on American culture and exploiting/distorting Mexican culture. Everything wassupconan said was pretty much spot-on.  You're as much Mexican as Americans with German ancestry are German.  In other words, NOT AT ALL! 

wassupconan
wassupconan

that Brown and Proud shit is whats confusing mexican-americans even more.  are you aware that not all mexicans are brown.  heck even most of them arent brown at all.  they can be tan or beige theres even quite a few white mexicans around there.  so to say that ure mexican just by being brown is like some white american saying that americans are by default white just cuz most of them are in that country.  imagine a black american going to Japan and japanese guy telling him he doesnt look american cuz hes black lol.  mexico is just like USA land of immigrants of all colors.  so plz stop pinning that brown and mexican shit on us,  we`re not all brown.  (and theres a chance ure not that brown either like most mexican-americans think they are).  Oprah is brown most mexicans are not even close to that color.  unless ure native or heavily mixed cholo. 

iblobar
iblobar

B- I'm not sure about ur comment, I think its just pride talking when 'good stuff' is said, and their insecurities r showing when people r put down.This goes for all, even u!

NatWu
NatWu

Well, the two words do have different meanings, but if you're asking why do some people call themselves Latinos or Hispanic, it's more a question of preference. Kind of like some people don't want to be called American Indians, and some people don't want to be called Native Americans. It's not that they're saying they're different people, but they don't agree about what they should call themselves. Of course, in common speech we'll often just say "Indian" (pronounced In-din by many).

As to what they really mean, Hispanic technically means anyone of Spanish descent no matter where they live (including Spain!), so it's not accurate to call everyone Hispanic simply because they speak Spanish, although that's what we typically use it to mean. A black Mexican (or islander) may speak Spanish but not have any Spanish blood (same for the people who are Indian too).

Latino, on the other hand, simply denotes anyone from "Latin" America. You can read about that here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.... That includes, of course, the French-speaking Haitians and Portuguese-speaking Brazilians. So technically it's accurate for anyone of any non-native ethnicity south of the border (and I guess the French-Speaking Canadians?), but what term is left for a Quechua-speaking Indian with no foreign ancestry? As you can see, this gets complicated very easily.

But as I said at first, despite the intended meanings, people actively decide what term to use, and they may do so for reasons other than technical accuracy. Point being, it's easiest to call them whatever they call themselves and just forget about it.

todivina
todivina

@UHavAnIdentityCrisis  Regarding: " They speak bad Spanish and what's WORSE is they speak bad ENGLISH.  I love Mexico but don't get me wrong, I can't stand Chicanos and their insufferable attitudes. They go to the USA and then pretend they're still Mexican... "


First off, I am a Chicana and I speak perfect English and Spanish. You are quite confused because Chicanos don't come to the U.S. and pretend they're Mexican... they are BORN in the U.S.

chicanoprider
chicanoprider

IAll mexicanos are itiminated by chicanos scared of us they wont say shit in the streets they stay quiet and blog stupid shit fuckin paisa go back to,mexico with your fucked up thoughts and you wonder why chicanos tease rabby ass,dudes like you

jazminp62
jazminp62

I am of Mexican descent born in the USA and I'm proud to consider myself an American. While it's true that I speak bad Spanish. I speak excellent English. I'm pale for a Mexican (I'm a very slight tan color). I embrace the American culture. I never pretend that I'm a Mexican. You're quite ignorant for the statement that you made and I'm just informing you that not all Chicanos are like that. I don't often call myself Chicana, I prefer using the tern American.

wassupconan
wassupconan

ok first of all native americans have nothing to do with being latino hispanic and heres why. both of those terms are depicting early spanish settlers that came to the new world so words themselves have nothing to do with amerindians.  u said it ureself hispanic is technically anyone of spanish origin so how can indians be hispanic even a little if they havent mixed.  secondly its not true that latin denotes latin america it denotes the latin culture that came to america from europe via spaniards. thats why latin america is called that i the first place,  it has nothing to do with mayans aztecs etc.  and latin america is just a cultural term theres no geografical term latin when u open up the atlas.  theres just north and south american continent.  so in order to be latin ure culture has to be latin,  so 30-40 mil.  indians across latin america that still follow their own culture are not latinos therefore not every single person living in latin america today is latin american.  if u talk to indians they dont even like when someone refers to them as latinos or hispanic.  and why is being mexican for example associated with being native when there wasnt a country called mexico before 1810 and it was created by criollos and not the indios.

iblobar
iblobar

Very well said my friend!!

Lexxa
Lexxa

@chicanoprider WOW, because of you self-proclaimed "chicanos/cholos" I am ashamed to be Mexican-American. Stop, you look like a fool.  

UHavAnIdentityCrisis
UHavAnIdentityCrisis

 @wassupconan Exactly...AGAIN!  How does NOBODY see this?  This is why Chicanos are sort of a joke...it's sad, yes, but true.  I am an advocate of the caucasian race.

 
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