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Silas 05/08/2010 12:05:00 AM
Ben was a fucking shyster. Amanda booked the benefit I threw for my wife called "I Wanna Be A Robot: A Benefit for Shakey Amy" to help offset a major surgery she was having and to raise awareness about the neurological disorder she suffers from called Dystonia, with the deal bveing we get the door, Dada gets the bar. Then Ben took it over. The long & short of it was we had 10 bands, charged $10 admission, paid the sound guys AND Beard ourselves, and he still took the whole door to his office and "doled out" what he felt we earned. We worked 5 months on that benefit and walked away with less than 2k. He even had the brass balls to tell Amy he would donate a portion of the beer sales to our cause after hearing her speak, then didn't give anything, but TOOK instead. Fuck that guy.
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bob 01/22/2010 4:35:00 PM
Delusional ramblings. BTW...if you actually still do have my amp...leave it on my doorstep....then leave.
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Ben 01/17/2010 1:00:00 AM
Who says I can�t get stoned or high or drunk? Or better yet WHO fucking cares?
Before saying anything I want to go on record and give answers to the rumors I�ve heard and though I�m certain most of us could really careless I�d like for you to at least you to hear it from me for once�
� YES, I borrowed monies to make changes and improvements to Club Dada.
� YES, I still owe 2 people monies and am working with them to pay them back�how does that apply to you? If you were a band and had a $1000 or $2000 guarantee and drew 3 to 40 people I�m sorry. And though I can only think 3 bands I hope you can understand and realize that the club lost way more than your band and at least you got free drinks and a $250 minimum.
� NO, I was not banned from my club by TABC as I was never served any legal documents from them.
� NO there is not and never was a warrant out for my arrest.
� NO I�ve never been on the run or hide from anyone.
� NO I am not going to jail for 2 yrs.
� YES my name is Ben Tapia and I do not have an alias or go by Armando whatever??? So Beard shut the fuck up, if you�re that bored go shave your back.
I�d like to start by just jumping in or better yet �might as well jump� lol! So here we go�part of the reason I did the interview for Dallas Observer is I was told by Freedman �this is not a story on Dada, this is a story on Deep Ellum. The hows and whys clubs open & close in the area� obviously not the case. Then I find out it�s a 5 � page article about Dada, plus the cover story�what a waste of paper. So I go to meet Pete and we sit down, have some drinks, shots and he starts in on me. But I�ll cut to the chase for the readers as we�re �on record� or so he says. Freedman�s article goes on to highlight my quote when he asked about my drug use and while I�m not denying I�ve ever done drugs I never finished making my point and only half of what I said was printed. When I was quoted as saying �drug problem, I don�t have a drug problem I can get them anytime I want, no problem� I actually quoted David Lee Roth from an early VH interview years ago as a joke because he looked so serious. Pete looked a bit surprised by the statement, so I thought I�d keep going with it because, but I have to say he really looked surprised when I said � but you know that Pete, you and I have done drugs in my office several times and it�s never really been a problem getting them� which obviously didn�t make the story. So yes I then went on to say to Pete as an example �I�m an extreme person, I�m either full on or full off. It�s like if I do coc (not coke, that�s a soft drink Pedro) I�m going to do it till it�s all gone (is it ever really all gone?) If I smoke weed, I�m going to smoke it till I can�t get high any more (is that possible?) In spite of what you�ve heard, read, think or �honestly� know of me, this is a fact�I�ve smoked maybe a quarter ounce of weed in the past 10 yrs. It�s been given to me from time to time (for some reason) and I always give it to someone who does smoke pot, Liles knows this. Yes I�ve done some cocaine, a lot of people have. I can honestly say in the past 2 1/2yrs I�ve done more or less an 1/8 of an ounce which is 3 � grams or an 8 ball to most. Drinking to get drunk�I�ve been in Dada many nights where I didn�t drink at all, others where I had 1 to 3 drinks and others where yes, I got pretty shitty. The point I was trying to make was who the fuck are all these people that do drugs think they are pointing fingers me??? I mean really, most of you who are commenting have really made this a case of calling a spade a spade. So pick your poison and hope you don�t get judged in land of the misfit toys. Now if for just a minute you hypocrites could put your fingers down and quite pointing and blaming. Think about this, at least 70% of the people in this country don�t have a problem getting drugs. Drugs have been around most of us since we were in the 5th & 6th� even younger if we had parents who did them. As Americans we�ve have had to make the decision whether or not to do drugs most of our lives. Yes I�ve done all kinds of drugs in my life time, a lot of us have. Liles referred to me as a coc head in the DC9 blog, does that mean he�s better than I am because he�s a pot head? Does that mean he�s better than those who drink alcohol because he drinks Dr Pepper? I don�t think so and I honestly think Liles doesn�t either. Now other than his boss who cares if Pete Freedman and I go in my office and do some blow? Well, wait a second�John Solis might because if Pete were to get fired then someone would have pull him out of Freedman�s ass clean him up and insert him into the next music editors ass! Anyways what I was trying to say was, it doesn�t happen everyday or every week for that matter, but if I decide to do drugs what business is it of yours, his or hers? True story�a friend of mine came in my office and wanted to talked to me because he�d been hearing rumors that I was addicted to �ice� and after expressing his concerns and well wishes he got to my door, turned around and asked if I had any blow, fucking hilarious!!! The point is, is people shouldn�t pass judgment on one another based on rumors and he said she said bull shit. Club Dada did not close down because of the owners or the employees or because of my lifestyle. I said earlier that in my opinion there are 2 kinds of people in the world �proactive and reactive people� it�s simple. Example: A proactive person will pick up the ball and run, as soon as he�s tackled he�ll pick up the ball and run again! Over and over and over the proactive person will run until he or she makes a touchdown, it�s their nature. Reactive people on the other hand are spectators. They stand on the side sidelines and clap and root and cheer, but if they lose they say things like, we suck, we need a new running back, we need a new quarterback or new defensive line, point, blame & criticize�not all, it�s usually the one�s with no life or work ethic. In some cases it�s someone who is so pissed at the world they have to move to Utah and hope no one there realizes what a bad hair piece they�re wearing while bitching about Escort Service. Just because each member in that band has more talent in each of their left pinkies and more hair on their left nut than you have on your head is not a reason to be hating Danny. Plus it�s pretty bad considering how little hair I have, lol! I believe it was �Bubba� that made the comment that I was pointing fingers and blaming others. If he�d read the article in its entirety or comprehended or retained what he had read (probably drugs? just sayin) he would have acknowledge the part where I accepted full accountability. So why did it close? Let�s see, I can�t blame Val because all she wanted to do was be an investor and thou she made it seem like she was the only investor she wasn�t. She did come into play and was very effective in an admin/ legal way towards the end. And please don�t blame me for who she was or is or whatever your opinion of her is, especially if you don�t know her or I. Why�d it close? Let�s see, I can�t blame Bob. He only volunteered twice and was supposed to be doing the books�I guess he just couldn�t find the time to actually do them??? I mean he�d only showed up in the mornings to look at every Beatle website known to man, check his personal email, clog the drain with straws from his coffee and leave post it notes for me or someone to check the voice mails. Thou I saw him commenting on the DC9 blog I have to say, he did more that day on that blog than he did the entire time I was at Dada. Now considering the fact that he never did the books, that he owed Don Case so much in back rent and always forgot about or never showed up to meetings, he sure bitches a lot. How about a �thank you� for bring to your attention that you qualified for certain tax breaks and paying to have your taxes done. You know, the one�s that resulted in you getting a nice little check Bob? As for your comment on DC9 regarding the club making 87k from Jan thru April, well had you been doing the books like you said you were, you would have known it was costing 24k a month to run the Club so that puts us behind 13k not to mention late fees and maintenance. So Bob, wanna buy a Fender amp? You told me that amp was left there which does not make it yours, now if you bought it and it is indeed yours I had it fixed for $120 it was never pawned and I have it. I think the Fender Amp you�re talking about that was pawned was mine, a long with my 2 electric guitars to pay for things at Club Dada. Thou I am curious as to what happened to the Les Paul that someone left at the club, any ideas Bob? Staff, I know Wes had gone to both Bob and Valerie and accused me of stealing monies from Club Dada but, how can you steal from a business you own? On top of that he came and told me the same thing about each of the bartenders at one point or another. For what it�s worth the entire time I was there I probably spent 3k on personal things so being paid $750 a quater after working for 10 to 15 hour days 4 to 6 days a week, well hmmm I feel I�ve earned it. Also $700 of that 3k was a gift to Wes when his son was born�I guess I am a thief. As for the rest of the staff, I couldn�t have asked for a better bartender than Franky boy, great musician and great guy! Chad and Brent always did a great job with the sound and again both great musicians & great guys! Now Beard on the other hand�WHEW!!! What a beating this guy is day after day. Usually when you see a person you greet them with a �hi� or �hello� Not him, as soon as he walks through the door he�d start bitching. Bitching about ALL the local promoters and their needs, the bar staff & the sound men and what they were doing wrong. It was this, that and everything that isn�t 1988 to 1995. Then there were the countless bands, promoters and schools that complained about monies at the door. Funny thing is that he�d always bitch about Karen the door girl, yet she was ALWAYS dead bang on with her head count and her drawer, where Beard rarely did head counts even after buying him 2 clickers. I will say this regarding the article�and I know it was bad timing, but when I said an investor came through and had to wait to get in because Frank & Beard were at the door talking about me and the remodel, I wasn�t talking about shit Frank, I was merely stating a fact. And thou the investor came back ready to move on our deal, it was a little too late. Frank and I have had our differences and I thought we were cool I now know we weren�t. I�m sure a lot of you only heard half of this story, but one day he came up to me and started bitching at me about the remodel and how the remodel was going to fuck up everything ( I wonder if the remodel at Trees fucked it all up?), I started bitching back at him and I was in the process of kicking him out for that night. I then stopped myself and we both calmed down a little sat in The Listening Room. I bought him a few drinks and we had a very nice conversation�again I thought we were cool. Now Melissa in regards to your comment on DC9, on how I was offered all this help??? I have no idea who you�re talking about because the few who did help quite showing up after day 1 or didn�t remember because they were so fucked up when this help was offered. I�m assuming you were speaking of Frank based on your comment. I don�t know if Frank told you or not, but he did offer his �advice� and I was ready to listen and perhaps act on it. But when he offered and I said go a head I�ll hear ya out! Well he rubbed his thumb against his fingers insinuating he wanted me to pay him. To be honest, I may have paid him at one point, again I have nothing against the guy, but we were in desperate times and he knew that plus he got employee pricing, had a running tab and hung out after hours MANY nights drinking for free. So, sorry my fat ass couldn�t pay for his priceless advice Melissa. Why is it hard to believe that we suffered when the city had Elm St ripped open and had capped all the meters in front of the club for several months. Also a lot of the common complaints were �it�s hot in here� or �this beer is hot� I did go to Westdale asking them if they could replace the 27yr old AC system and having to stand there as Chuck Hixon looked at me and smile like the grench only to hear him say �no� then to be stuck there having to listen to his reasoning was aweful. I then knew what to expect from the corporate leasing company that moved it�s ugly ass into Deep Ellum. A couple of months go by and after placing several bids on a new AC and the lowest one coming in at $7800 I swallowed my pride and thought I go back to Westdale and ask if they�d be willing to split the cost of the AC and again�NO. Then I said, ok well I know you have several empty locations that probably have refrigerators in them that aren�t 30yrs old, any chance we could get our hands on a couple? Sure says Hixon! Call us on Monday and you can look at a few and I�ll give you what I feel is a fair price??? All this after giving me NO warning of taking my dumpster and parking lot for a thriving Asian Restaurant??? I don�t get Westdale at all. But I�m sure they�ll be ready to sell soon enough! So why did we close? Here�s what I�ve seen and why I think Dada had to close it�s doors. It closed down because the bands and patrons that made it and all of DE what it once was have grown up and or moved on. At least the majority of them have. They�ve either become career driven, have a family to raise, practicing sobriety or have simply moved. On top of that 90% of the bands from those days don�t exist any longer for the same reasons. So Dada�s closed �again� it has nothing to do with the owners, employees or my lifestyle. Dada is a destination spot, it always has been, and unfortunately it�s not a destination for enough people these days. My old sound guy Mark asked me once �do you really think all theses changes and a remodel you�re planning will bring more people out?� Hmmmm�would everybody be excited about Trees re-opening if Clint & Whitney hadn�t completely remodeled that place? Would people still be going there if all they did was give that place a good cleaning? I say �yes� to Mark�s question and �no� to the one I asked. About a yr ago Josh (city tav) & I were in meeting�s to open Trees and present it in a certain way to an investor but the costs were way out of our budget. I know for a fact Clint & Co went over budget. It�s a big risk and I wish him well, he�s a great guy and Whitney is an awesome lady and I wish them nothing but the best! But to have Freedman and a couple of his neighbors across the street talking shit about this guy before meeting him and or because he drums for Rob Van Winkle is also another sign of why this neighborhood is in the condition it�s in. Of course you wouldn�t know who I�m talking about because they�re all sucking Clint�s dick now, lol! I have to say I�ve gotten a lot of closure from the least likely group of musicians and artists via phone calls and emails, people who don�t hide through anonymous email options. Real people that I consider the best of the best in this town and then some! And considering a lot of them are DOMA nominees and winners from the past 3 to 4 yrs made me feel alright�hey got me back to good and we ALL deserve that!
Cheers Deep Ellum,
Ben-
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walt 12/16/2009 4:45:00 AM
also, it's a lesson in how to deal with one's midlife crisis. The smarter way: Just go hang at a bar where 20 somethings hang out.
The dumber way: Try to run that bar. While coking up. And ignoring the outside world.
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Matt 12/15/2009 11:15:00 PM
So it took 5 and a half pages for you to explain to us that irresponsible, self-centered, drug-addicts can't successfully run a business?
No shit.
I also love how you've got these cute little GQ photos of the whole pitiful cast, as if to pay some sort of homage to them.
I also agree that Pete should mention IN THE STORY that he was unable to get comments from those he interviewed on the other side. It makes no sense NOT to do so.
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another old fart 12/15/2009 9:19:00 PM
Well, you've done it now Pete. Your story has opened old wounds and given a platform to people who, though relevant in their day are not going Deep Ellum. After reading this story I really just wanted the time I wasted on it back.
I agree with Frank, go out and make your own history.
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dude 12/15/2009 7:24:00 AM
So...yet another backhanded slap to the Deep Ellum scene. Big shocker. Why do you despise the area so much? I don't get it. As a paper, you have always been adversarial in your editorials, reviews, mock ads etc. (anybody remember the Deep Ellum makeover with the beat up model mock ad?) Why anybody from the area continues to buy ad space is beyond me, but since you derive most of your ad space from prostitutes these days..I assume you could care less. So instead of, as Liles suggested (by the way smooth move on canning him for correctly pointing out shoddy "journalism"..very big of you. His Echoes series was more interesting than anything I have read from Freedman. You obviously made the correct choice.. ) writing about a story such as Full Circle..which was a success from all accounts, as well as historically and culturally relevant to the city and the area..you let a self confessed drug abuser justify himself in 5 1/2 pages of drivel. Begs the question..does Pete owe him??
IMO..I would prefer to not read anymore about Deep Ellum in the Observer. No news is better than the never ending negativity you seem hell bent on promoting. Pick on HOB or something... Addison is an easy douchbag arena. Deep Ellum has some new businesses opening up. Leave it alone. People have their savings on the line and don't need constant sniping at your behest.
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Dingo 12/14/2009 7:20:00 PM
Dada will be missed. I even had my wedding reception party there in late June 2009. It was probably one of the last events at Dada.
My band (the Farstar) had many great shows there at club Dada.
Being in a band that plays Deep Ellum often, it is hard to say what'll bring the crowds back.
I suppose that Ben (and others) did the best they could given the circumstances.
MM
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Paula 12/14/2009 4:02:00 PM
Yeah, "Intimate performances" of acoustic acts in a quiet room with wood floors. No one had seen anything like that before.
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Jordan 12/14/2009 4:01:00 PM
Hey Mean ol' Landlord,
If you do happen to run into Amanada Newman-Warr-whatever the hell her name really is, please have her give me a ring, too. She embezzled about 600-bucks from me, lied, cheated, had affairs with married men, and I believe was OUSTED by Dada due to theft and more lies. I know, first hand, that Amanda Newman-Warr-whatever the hell her name really is, never EVER had anyone else in mind other than Amanda Newman-Warr-whatever the hell her name REALLY is.
She's a pathetic self-absorbed loser who cares nothing about Deep Ellum or bands or musicians or what's "Best of Texas" or anything other than her next con job and who she can fuck over and get away with it.
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anon 12/14/2009 4:30:00 AM
Good point Telecaster. Lots of people lost their jobs and plenty of bands lost their gigs and it was all on one mans shoulders, who chose not to keep on top of his business. Sadly he also chose not to inform most of these people and /or bands on any given night if they were going to be open for business or closed. More often than not, especially towards the end, employees, acts and audiences would show up to locked doors because Ben was intentionally inaccessible.
Another point no one has brought up, despite how mute it may be, is that the one night a week that the Listening Room was open for acoustic performances, they were in direct competition w/ Pete's very own 'DC-9 in Space' just around the corner at Hal Samples Space. No cover, surprise acts in unique acoustic shows and BYOB. Cheap, All ages fun that beat the crap out of the $20,000.00 tiger grained, bamboo floor that was the Listening Room.
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Telecaster 12/14/2009 1:45:00 AM
I knew some of the minor characters involved in this drama--the ones who worked at Dada up until they were locked out of work. A couple of them were good friends of mine and they get fucked over for their jobs as the economy is tanking and 17% real unemployment.
Tony, the bar manager, Tiffany and the other Toni and Frankie Jr behind the bar, that weird tall bar back that was friends with one of the bartenders, the guy Jeff, who they brought in to take over booking duties for Tapia was was doing a good job trying to keep shows alive and replacing bands when they dropped because they thought they wouldn't get paid. Beard, a Deep Ellum institution for 20 years. And my friend, Brent, the always excellent sound guy.
Those were all good people who lost jobs when Dada was left for dead. And nothing in the article even mentioned them.
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Hall 12/13/2009 4:18:00 PM
This kinda dates me, it's the Our Gang Syndrome:
"I know what. Let's put on a show. You can sing, I can dance, we'll charge the kids a nickel, we won't lose the farm."
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Mean 'Ol Landlord 12/13/2009 6:09:00 AM
Interesting story. Only problem is that the people given voice within are the very ones who have no credibility due to their collective conduct. Liars and thieves. I'm a firsthand witness of this. By the way, anyone know where I can find Amanda Newman ("Warr"). If so, please send the info to CTCTexas@aol.com, or just tell her to drop by for a visit anytime - my office is exactly where it was when she disappeared from her commitment to a contract agreement. I guess I would be the mean 'ol landlord pertaining to the "eviction" that she mentions in the article. Truth be told, she was not evicted - although she was eligible for that measure of enforcement several times during the term of the lease. In fact she abandoned the premises well in advance of the expiration date of the lease with a balance owing (surprise, surprise). Due diligence was withheld, which would be an easy court judgment in my favor. Mercy, you might say, and her unresolved file still sits atop my desk to this day, returned NSF checks included (and that's a real no-no according to the law). It's not really the money so much, at least at this point, but if I could get her address I'd just like to send her a Christmas card - you know, season's greetings and all.
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Danny 12/13/2009 2:55:00 AM
Yes, Charles. I was born and raised in Dallas and moved out here about a year and a half ago.
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Ted Stevens 12/13/2009 1:25:00 AM
One thing about this article, and I guess it was touched on by Liles, is that it doesn't properly place Dada in the context of the entire Deep Ellum revival that started in the 80's with the Theatre Gallery and the Prophet Bar. Dada was there almost from the start. It was a mainstay and cornerstone of the entire scene. That's what makes it's closing so sad, not that it simply survived the "dark period". It's as if Freedman doesn't have any historical frame of reference; like he moved here from somewhere else a couple of years ago and tries to sound like he knows what he's talking about. Even if he had been, like me, a lifelong Dallasite, he was probably two when Dada first appeared. So yeah, coke habits, ripping people off, banging the investors..who GIVES a shit?
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Danny 12/13/2009 12:54:00 AM
I'm sorry, "nobody," but with regard to your first statement...don't be so sure. You can tell a lot about someone by seeing the people with whom they surround themselves. Birds of a feather, etc.
Don't get me wrong: I'm not defending Ben here. I've yet to talk to anyone for whom I have any respect who doesn't agree that he's a total hack as a musician and a pathologically-lying douchebag as a human. But those two hooked up for a reason (the phrase "arrested development" comes to mind). None of these idiots were innocent, by any means...
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Charles de Dawg 12/13/2009 12:37:00 AM
Melissa from Dallas must not get sarcasm (or maybe she was just too mad to really read it.) UCDoD from Dallas - that was awesome! I got it....But, who cares about Club Dada anyway? And I want to know where all the young people are who should be helping to revive Deep Ellum!? Someone's going to fall and break a hip doing all of this reopening stuff. We're old! Please, bring your sons and daughters along and hope they're cool enough to have the torch handed over once all of us fossils begin to wear down. (On a different note, I want to know if Danny from Kanab, UT really lives in Kanab. I want to work there.)
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melissa 12/12/2009 11:23:00 PM
I am really dissappointed that this is the cover story for the Dallas Observer this week. This story is nearly five months old!
Deep Ellum is trying to revive it's image to one that is full of life and something positive. Just when Deep Ellum seems to get to take a step forward for the good, it is stories like this that knock it down a few pegs.
How about turning the focus to something positive like the Full Circle Theater Gallery Reunion? What a beautiful event to happen in Deep Ellum at the Prophet Bar. So many great bands and beautiful people reuniting after 25 years. Now that is a cover story!
Pete, stop opening old wounds!
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walt 12/12/2009 11:03:00 PM
well this just keeps getting juicier and juicier.
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nobody 12/12/2009 7:13:00 PM
I just wanted to clarify something: when Val first got involved w/ Dada, cocaine was not any kind of an issue. It wasn't until Tapia get his hooks into her that she hit the slopes so hard. She buys him a car, a guitar, a bar, and roof over his head, and he rewards her by seducing her with piles of cocaine. And if I told you the ways he very deliberately fucked Val over it would not only make you hate him, it would make her hate me. But GOD I wish I could tell the REAL reason he blew all that cash redoing the other room -- just to get rid of the fucken couch... yuck. Anyways.
Don't blame Val, except for being human. Ben, on the other hand, is just flat-out evil. Imho.
Val was (and is) a thoroughly wonderful sweet gal who got fucked in every way by big-city Ben... and it just makes me sad that she still thinks they have some kind of future.
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Anon 12/12/2009 6:58:00 PM
Ok, Pete, this is complete bullshit. Everyone knew that the real story was the thousands in cola that went up the owner's noses ... by the height of the 'rock star' period, Val was so fucking coke-addled I couldn't stand to be around her. And Ben... christ could that man drink! Coked-out AND liquored up. Every single friggen nite, after a (short) while. He was looking defeated, just disembodied. And THAT's the simple story of the Death of Dada.
I'm not gonna slam you for this Pete. I know you were there too, and you and Frank and Val's old friends all wanted to see everything succeed. You did great things in this very rag to help promote what was happening, above and beyond, etc. Lots of ppl offered to help and chipped in and what not. But as far as I know, I was the among the very few that actually ever said "Val, you've got a cocaine problem." Not that it made any difference. I blame Helen as much as any single person, and I'm sure the locals know what I mean.
But Pete, it was always obvious you had a half-pound hard-on for Val... and ok, so did I. But do you think you should consider whether you let your personal feelings affect your journalism here? (And what kind of bs is that, "Beard didn't have anything to add"!! I roflmao at the very idea.)
Someone who was there.
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Melissa 12/12/2009 5:30:00 AM
Ok who ever UCDoD you are a dumb ass. More of a dumb ass then Ben. Ben has lied to everybody he is nothing more then a piece of shit. Thats all to it. To all the people out there that love ben and think hes the shit, well just wait till he fucks you over. Then you will see how much of a great person he is.
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bob 12/12/2009 1:29:00 AM
Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the time that Ben pawned my Fender Twin Reverb amp. One day I walked in the office and asked "Ben, have you seen my amp?" Ben replied "oh, that was yours?"
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blah 12/12/2009 1:19:00 AM
Whatever happened to all of Deep Ellum getting bought out for redevelopment?
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Anon 12/11/2009 8:07:00 PM
The Dallas Observer lost musical/jounalistic credibitily years ago. Pete Freedman's era is the lowest point so far. They shouldn't be writing about a flash-in-the-pan-ownership of a long-dead club that closed down. Instead they should write about all the great tours and local bands and venues and galleries that are still alive after many years Deep Ellum.
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UCDoD 12/11/2009 6:50:00 PM
All ya'll all cracking on Ben. Not cool! As the CEO of the United Coke Dealers of Dallas he has always shown responsibility and been reliable. He has never once been late on a payment and a quality steady customer from day one. How dare you give this man grief as he told the truth there for all to see and, sniff sniff, unfortunately loose. He will be missed.
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Perry the Crackhead 12/11/2009 10:46:00 AM
How come nobody interviewed me?!?! I coulda tol' you about the reptilian angle of how the club failed. The illuminati got all mixed in because they didn't like it when Ben let the homeless take out the trash. Beard peed on me once and Rico made me swallow a hammer and some drywall. I used to run with some greys in the Theater Gallery days but I watched them disappear like a crackrock do when applied to with flame from a bic. Goodbye Ben Baker and Valerie Tapia! There will always be a seat on the spaceship for you in my heart. Can I still get that $5?
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Aceball 12/11/2009 9:22:00 AM
I packed Dada on a Friday night and Tapia paid us $80,We all know thats not SUPPORTING the SCENE. And Pete, Liles is right.
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Ted Stevens 12/11/2009 4:45:00 AM
"We all", yeah right.
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sanchopanza 12/11/2009 3:59:00 AM
Here comes Ted again with his hate hard-on for Nourallah. Big surprise, we all knew this was coming...Salim's got next to nothing to do with this article so shut the fuck up moron!!!
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Ted Stevens 12/11/2009 3:38:00 AM
"Tapia was able to convince revered local singer-songwriter and producer Salim Nourallah to book the space." Yeah, I'm sure Tapia really twisted Salim's arm on that deal. He booked himself there every other week. And uh, "revered"? By who?
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Liles 12/11/2009 1:47:00 AM
I saw Ben Tapia in the check-out line at the Uptown Albertson's on McKinney Avenue three nights ago. And last time I checked, Dada has been closed since summer.
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PleaseComeOver 12/11/2009 1:30:00 AM
Ben will always be 'Specialer than the Specialist, Specialer than all the rest' at conning others out of cash, services, etc. Thank God Florence didn't bite on the deal!
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Danny 12/11/2009 1:14:00 AM
If that's the case, Pete, isn't there a point in the story in which you should say "x" party was contacted for comment but chose not to / received no reply? Otherwise, as Jordan said, the one-sided focus of the story - along with the inexplicable photo album of the people involved - make it seem a virtual tribute to the very folks who ruined Club Dada. And, as Liles said, it was all old news, anyway. Anybody with any objective ties to that place already knew what happened...and knows now that there's far more to it that what's included in this story.
Oh, and if you're buying into the bullshit that Tapia is living in California so he can be close to his daughter, I've got a first-rate snow shovel in my driveway I'd like to sell you. Put two and two together. Father of the year, he ain't.
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Melissa 12/10/2009 11:58:00 PM
First of all Ben has always been full of shit... Blaming everything on people who tired so had to tell him how to run the club right. He didnt listen at all. Thats why there is no Club DaDa right now. Also how dare he talk shit about Frank C. and the doorman which we know is Beard. Someone just needs to shut that fat ass up. So he can stop saying all these lies......
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Liles 12/10/2009 11:13:00 PM
You know, the first three paragraphs of this story would have been a perfect preface to a story about the "Full Circle" event. Instead, it then veers into a one-sided non-story about a shuttered business run into the ground months ago by someone who had zero connection to the neighborhood. In all that blather about how "Deep Ellum is rising from the ashes", not even a mention of the fact that right down the street from where Dada once was, Russ Hobbs was celebrating 25 years of promoting shows in the neighborhood. It's like you went out of your way to mention every single music-related business in Deep Ellum except Prophet Bar. Was that by design, or ignorance? And do you really not see how insensitive it was to put this irrelevant Dada bullshit on the cover of the newspaper less than a week after ignoring something like "Full Circle"? Russell and I put on that event on to help further the process of rehabilitating the public perception of the neighborhood. (Of course, you wouldn't know that, because you never asked.) The Dada story was pointless. All you did is reinforce a negative stereotype that Deep Ellum is overrun with weasels, shady cokeheads and amateur promoters who have no idea how to properly run a venue. I realize it's too late now, but dude... seriously. You're doing far more harm than good.
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Pete Freedman 12/10/2009 10:19:00 PM
For what it's worth, I did indeed reach out to all those parties you suggest, plus a few others--Mr. Cummins, John "Beard" Brewer, Westdale Asset Management, other Dada Staffers, etc.
Those not quoted in the piece either a) never got back to me on my interview requests, b) chose not to speak on the record, or c) offered nothing new to the piece other than one more forced, restrained, on-record quote about how this regime of ownership just didn't have the experience to run things right.
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Jordan 12/10/2009 9:10:00 PM
I could not agree with Danny and Jeff more. This could have been a really interesting story about corruption, drugs, booze, crooks, scam artists and the truth behind what REALLY went down. Sorry Pete, but this is almost a fluff piece glorifying the very people who knowingly ran Dada into the ground...Bob Cummins excluded.
"In some ways, this isn't a story about Club Dada at all..."
Really, Pete? 5 1/2 pages of this story are, not only about Dada's demise, but a pictorial of those responsible for it. It's nauseating.
There is absolutely no relevance to this piece of crap story other than a good liner for the bottom of my bird's cage.
On top of that, totally ignoring the 25+ years of support efforts by Hobbs and Liles is flat-out inexcusable.
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Liles 12/10/2009 8:23:00 PM
The story of how these cokeheads ran Club Dada into the ground is VERY old news and totally irrelevant at this point. What strikes me as ironic is that during a week when Russ Hobbs is celebrating 25 years of promoting shows in Deep Ellum - longer and more successfully than anyone at this point- THIS is what you chose as a cover story instead. Last week, the Dallas Observer music section totally ignored "Full Circle"- an event that featured eleven different artists from Dallas, and, instead, you ran a story called "The Dallas Sound" - which had absolutely nothing to do with what has REALLY been the Dallas Sound for a quarter of a decade. Not one word about Russell Hobbs' commitment to Deep Ellum or Dallas music, not a single mention of the artists who were reuniting to give something back to the neighborhood. Just that story about a hobbyist's CD that probably won't even sell 25 copies when it's all said and done; and then, this week, an "old news" COVER story about a club that closed several months ago due to incompetency and ineptitude. Dude. Seriously? Why? How does Club Dada even matter at this point? After 25 years and putting on shows in Deep Ellum (not to mention buying hundreds of ads in your newspaper over that time period) how could possibly prioritize THAT Dada nonsense over Russell's established tenure and long term commitment to the music scene? And why would you give someone like Ben Tapia a platform to talk shit about people like Frank Campagna and Bob Cummings? Ridiculous.
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Danny 12/10/2009 8:00:00 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Bob. It doesn't change my original point, though, which I know I don't need to tell you. You just made it abundantly clear with your follow-up comments. In fact, we've learned more from what you've had to say IN RESPONSE TO the article than we did in the story itself.
That's why I'm calling "bullshit" on this article. Why were the only three people quoted at length in the "story" the very folks who ran the place into the ground because they were too consumed with their own personal interests (ego, validation, getting high, etc.) rather than the interests of Club Dada itself or the Deep Ellum scene as a whole? Why would any decent journalist just take them at their word and publish it without looking into the various improprieties revealed or getting additional input from the other parties involved?
Maybe Pete Freedman can't do any better than this, but Robert Wilonsky can. If this piece ran with Wilonsky's approval, though, maybe we should be questioning his judgment as well. It's one of the laziest pieces of "reporting" I've ever seen under the Dallas Observer flag.
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bob 12/10/2009 7:26:00 PM
Thats a good question Steve. They were "managing" the books out of their house.
Lets put it this way...the final straw came in May when I logged on to the bank acct and found all the money had been withdrawn and the acct closed out. Ben then opened up another bank acct and failed to inform me of such action.
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Steve2210 12/10/2009 6:32:00 PM
So Bob, did you ask for an accounting of where the cash went? If it went back into the business, then there should be receipts, if not then where?
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bob 12/10/2009 5:56:00 PM
Lemmee clarify Danny. Our receipts were both credit cards and cash...about 50/50. Credit card deposits went directly into the acct. But the cash....only $60 made it into the acct.
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Leah 12/10/2009 4:52:00 PM
Thanks for such a great article! I too believe in the strength of our neighborhood, Deep Ellum, and the opportunity we have before us to rise from the ashes. I appreciate hearing all the back history of Club Dada over the past few years as I never had a full story as to why it continued to close and reopen. Your article was well researched and did not give the all too common (and biased) opinion that Deep Ellum is dead and has no chance for a resurgence. It can be very frustrating to be on the hopeful side of the argument that the neighborhood will overcome and persevere when the news being reported has very few positive points to make (if any news is being reported at all). Please continue to provide these much needed articles as it certainly helps the neighborhood and it's optimistic members. You certainly made my day!
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Danny 12/10/2009 4:26:00 PM
"The first year was great. We partied like rock stars."
According to one owner, the venue pulled in 87K in one quarter, yet only sixty dollars (!) was deposited into the bank.
You have three main participants involved, one of whom lives for delusion and phony glamour, while the other two devote themselves wholeheartedly to pathological dishonesty as a means of inventing drama.
Pete, it took you six months to put together an article where all you did was interview those same people who cannot be trusted to utter two consecutively honest statements. And the people who have actual reputations (such as "the neighbor and the doorman") or a reason to speak that goes beyond covering their own tracks (employees, artists or perhaps even competitors) get basically ignored. I'm guessing if you worked for a national publication and were assigned, say, an article about torture allegations at Guantanamo Bay, you'd interview Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, take their statements at face value, spend six months polishing up the spelling and punctuation, then consider it a finished piece. This is journalism? The Observer should be embarrassed. And searching for a new music editor.
The whole Club Dada story is laughable. You had a chance (not to mention half a year) to reveal why, and you thoroughly blew it.
Stick to reviews and opinions, Pete. Investigation and actual journalism are not your forte.
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bob 12/10/2009 4:43:00 AM
"Cummins came in in the morning to look at the money"
What money? Ben took the money home with him every night and ran the books! Between Jan and April of 09' Dada rang $87,000.....$60 in cash was deposited into the bank acct. Thats right...60 bucks.
"I'm gonna drink to get drunk. If I'm gonna do a line of coke, I'm gonna do it until I don't have anymore. If I smoke a joint, I'm gonna smoke until I can't get any higher. But it's not a problem."
Thanks a lot.
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Amy V. 12/10/2009 12:56:00 AM
The biggest mistake any new club/venue owner makes is not knowing how to run a club/venue. In many ways it's quite different from running other types of businesses. As was stated over and over in the article, the folks who took over and tried to keep it going had not much more than passion, and that is unfortunately not enough as has been demonstrated repeatedly through the years in D.E., even in its heyday.
The author of the article neglected to mention one other long-time spot that's hung in there through the tough times: Curtain Club. Those are good guys who have tons of experience - maybe the newest round of potential Dada owners/investors should tap them.
BTW, Beard was often a big reason to go to Dada. It was as much a hangout for lots of folks, including me, as it was a place to see good bands. Here's hoping someone will be able to make a solid go of it!
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Frank 12/09/2009 11:02:00 PM
What's done is done. A story about the past that does nothing for the now or tomorrow. Personally, I tend to be proactive and prefer to focus on the future. I feel bad for those who got into this venture and lost and chose not to slam anyone or anything when asked to participate in this article.
Then again, w/ quotes like - "Hey, let's go to Kettle Art and have a slideshow of what was! Respect your history, fine. But let's fucking make history." - just crack me up and now you are history.
best of luck to all from this day forward.
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Steve2210 12/09/2009 10:57:00 PM
He sounds like a great business partner. I'd like to hear more from the people working there.
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Mikey 12/09/2009 10:36:00 PM
God bless him but I'm glad he's gone. I'm just sad that when I walk by Dada 'ol Mr Beird ain't there working the door. Seeing him was a highlight of being in Deep Ellum for many years. I saw him working the door for the Nomad Arts show a few months ago and it was a very pleasant suprise. Hopefully someone will reopen Dada and do it right this time. I fucking miss that place.
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bubba 12/09/2009 9:58:00 PM
Nearly anyone on the front line of what went down at Dada said a word. I'd guess they took the high road and let dead dogs lie. Then again that's exactly what they do. Ya gotta love this classic addict BS.
#1 Blame someone else...
"You know what fucked me the hardest?" Tapia asks rhetorically. "My next-door neighbor and my doorman"
#2 The TRUTH...
"If I'm gonna drink, I'm gonna drink to get drunk. If I'm gonna do a line of coke, I'm gonna do it until I don't have anymore. If I smoke a joint, I'm gonna smoke until I can't get any higher. But it's not a problem."
Now that this is out of the way, maybe Deep Ellum and Dada can back to business.