Talking Trump, Cruz and the Clintons With Former GOP Hit Man Roger Stone

Roger Stone visits the Observer.EXPAND
Roger Stone visits the Observer.
Stephen Young

The hardest thing about talking to Roger Stone about his latest book, The Clintons' War on Women, is figuring out how to write about anything that's in the book. The stuff that the ex-Richard Nixon aide and all-purpose Republican campaign operative has come up with is so inflammatory and insubstantially documented that it's impossible to report it with any sort of credulity.

With that said, here are the broad strokes: Stone claims Bill Clinton is a serial predator, committing various criminal and unprosecuted attacks on women in the last half century or so. During that time, Stone claims, Hillary Clinton has essentially served as Bill's fixer, intimidating the women he supposedly attacked. There are spurious assertions made about people associated with the Clintons and extravagant claims that, if they were true, would have been hard to keep secret over the years. The Clintons, more than anyone, have had their dirty laundry aired by the media.

But to the conspiracy minded, a lack of evidence is merely evidence of how successful a conspiracy is, and Stone believes they've been successful in covering up the worst of what they've done. 

Stone is a big believer in the big lie. He was in Dallas last week for a JFK conspiracy conference — he thinks Lyndon Johnson was behind the assassination in Dallas — and he believes the Clintons have gotten away with everything because, apparently, they are the two greatest political operators in human history. 

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"[The book] is an act of political action as well as being a commercial enterprise. People need to understand the overall hypocrisy of the Clintons. It's not just on the question of women," Stone says. "Hillary ... puts out a video a week ago saying to victims of college rape, 'You deserve to be believed.' If they deserve to be believed, what about this long trail of women that've made accusations against her husband?"

The cure for America, should it wise up and decide to stop the Clintons, is noted feminist and all-around honest guy Donald Trump, according to Stone.

"I disagree with [Trump] on a lot of things. He's, for example, a big supporter of the war on drugs and we disagree on that, [but] I like him because I think that he is unbuyable. All of our career politicians running for president, including Hillary Clinton, are totally reliant on special interests and campaign contributions, particularly from Wall Street, to fund them," Stone says. "No matter who you elect, nothing ever really changes."

Stone says voters don't want to fix anything, alluding to Jeb Bush's "Jeb will fix it" slogan. They just want to burn everything down. If that's true, electing Trump begins to make a lot more sense. So does electing Texas' very own junior senator, Ted Cruz, who has recently begun creeping toward Trump in both early-state polls and nationwide horse race numbers.

You can blame Trump himself for some of Cruz's gains, Stone says.

"A lot of those comes down to Trump," he says. "He's going to have to open his own wallet. He hasn't done that yet. Ted Cruz is running a very disciplined campaign. He knows exactly who his targets are, he continues to make steady progress moving up. Now, Trump's attacking Carson, causing Carson to drop, but those votes aren't going to go to Trump. You see the movement of Carson voters to Cruz. I think Cruz is the man to watch. If Trump doesn't come up with the necessary funds to win the nomination, and that's entirely up to him, I think you could have a face-off between Cruz and Marco Rubio. If that happens, I'd expect Cruz to win."


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