100 Creatives

100 Dallas Creatives: No. 3 Artists/Curators Michael Mazurek and Jesse Morgan Barnett

Mixmaster presents "100 Creatives," in which we feature cultural entrepreneurs of Dallas in random order. Over the span of four months at the beginning of 2014, the Dallas Biennial hosted 12 exhibitions, showing 50 artists. The art of DB14 was all over the city's map, and artists were both local and international. In just two years since its founding, this event grew from a mostly online event into one of the more ambitious and interesting visual art projects in Dallas. But DB14's success should come as no surprise if you're familiar with the event's co-founders and curators, who happen to be two of the more intriguing artists turned curators around.

The work of both Jesse Morgan Barnett and Michael Mazurek tends to be rich in concept and abstraction. They're both incredibly smart artists who give the viewers avenues for thought and conversation. Which is what DB14 did as well. We chatted with them about their work as artists and curators, and whether or not we can expect a DB16.

Let's talk DB. Can you give us a brief version of the genesis story? JMB: Upon finishing our graduate studies at UT Arlington, we moved into a warehouse with C.J. Davis near downtown Dallas. We wanted an elaborate and progressing project to occupy our current and forthcoming activities. The grandiose scope of the title was a starting point, especially in contrast to the modest operators. Sometimes the limitations of a situation provide interesting adjustments.

MM: Jesse approached me with the idea and I was immediately intrigued, but asked why call it a biennial? We debated for some time about the correct format and ultimately agreed the title made sense. For the most part it doesn't matter, as we'll ultimately do with it what we want. Our first biennial lasted for two years online. This set the precedent, denoting that our take on art exhibition and display is just that, our point of view. Despite the name, we're not tied to the convention.

Why did you think Dallas would be the right place for something like this? JMB: Availability and practicality initially. It's difficult to stand in your own vacant lot and decide to build the first home in another. We have, however, considered having DB in other cities in the future. Imagining the Dallas Biennial elsewhere, such as Seoul, Dijon, or even Marfa, continues to intrigue.

MM: I really didn't think much of a right place. I'm here in Dallas and it's built into my practice to just make the thing. My students would ask me often about their ideas, my response would be the same, make it and then we'll talk.

How do you mark the success of a citywide, non-institutional event like that?  JMB: I don't have much of a relationship with success. This is a difficult question, Lauren. It happened and its embedded within a cultural archive. That pleases me. If our capability to program what we want advances from iteration to iteration, that will be a significant marker. If we eventually earn the access to any artist we want to work with, that would be remarkable.

MM: Initially, the idea of starting a contemporary art biennial while having no formal experience or money or staff sounded pretty crazy, so I felt successful with each step in the process: building the website, trademarking the name, securing the first artist, then a space, so on and so forth. A big moment for me with DB12 was finding the email address for Artur Barrio, an artist who represented Brazil at the Venice Biennale. I was lucky enough to see his work in person; I wasn't familiar with him, so it was a discovery. I thought he would never consider working with two unknown guys in Texas. But he replied to my email and was kind and genuinely appreciative of our interest. As we couldn't pay to bring him to Dallas, Artur trusted that we would present his work as he would. We collaborated across two languages via email and building this trust with an artist you truly respect meant a great deal. DB has allowed us to expand upon the community within and outside our own and that feels pretty successful.

Both of you work in conceptual art, is there something about your individual practices that has been widely misunderstood by the critics or the public? JMB : Gaston Bachelard once said that "the characteristics of scientific progress is our knowing that we did not know." There is a correlation. I'm not interested in presenting ideas that require clarity in being socialized. Clarity can be over-rated and underwhelming. If there are misunderstandings, they might stem from perceptions attempting to articulate an absolute. At best, I think art stimulates a ongoing relationship with half knowledge, negative capability and agnosticism.

MM: Jesse's quote touches on this, viewers of art tend to believe that they need to understand or that there is something to be understood. This is not always the case and that's okay. Experience is essential.

Michael, you recently became a curator at the Goss-Michael Foundation, what's different about curating for an institution than working on independent projects like Dallas Biennial? MM:We're a private philanthropic organization and a good deal of our effort goes towards fundraising for charitable causes and other institutions, so the same issues of funding, timing and logistics come into play. However, as I've just begun working on programming for the fall, the most notable difference is opportunity. With DB in the beginning, just finding a way to contact an artist was a pretty big effort. Most galleries didn't care to talk to us. I don't say this to criticize them, as with anything in the onset, you're establishing credibility and this takes time. Coming into Goss-Michael, the many years of effort have been done for me by the foundation. My ideas haven't changed, but the tools to make them happen have become a lot more accessible. Also, I'm honored to be working with Kenny and Joyce. They're very dedicated to the foundation and donate their time, not only to Goss-Michael, but also to causes like UNICEF and The Staying Alive Foundation. Expanding the programming was always on their agenda, so their support in my endeavors was a given.

Who are 2-3 artists other than each other whose work you admire? JMB: On Kawara, Giovanni Anselmo, Wolfgang Tillmans (minus the abstract photographs) and Paul Graham never cease to stimulate.

Closer to home, I think Stephan Lapthisophon, Ludwig Schwarz, Jeff Gibbons and Michelle Rawlings are notable. There are always more.

MM: I'm drawn to many artists so to name only three is difficult. A short list would have to include, in no particular order: Cady Noland, Jannis Kounellis, Joseph Beuys, Rudolf Stingel, Santiago Sierra, Teresa Margolles, Jason Rhoades, Geletin, Pierre Huyghe, Rosemarie Trockel, Forrest Bess, Thomas Hirschorn, Klara Liden, Jonathan Meese, Johan Freeman & Justin Lowe, Karen Kilimnik and Reena Spaulings.

Will we see a DB16?  JMB: Yes. I think what we have planned will be a pleasant surprise.

MM: Absolutely. The goal is for DB to become self-sustainable and continue indefinitely.

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